BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom - harvey, rub'n'tug, map of africa

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that sounds great, dan!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost, i know of a night that almost fits the bill. it's more disco than cosmic though moroder and his ilk get their dues.

beardo - roxanne shante
not beardo - salt'n'pepa

interesting...i pasted and italicized this fragment of your post because at first i was going to ask you to explain, but i think i get it now. both artists seem tangential to the conversation here at least, but there really is a world of difference between the two.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Monday, 6 February 2006 06:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for that link theghostrobot. Enlightening.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 6 February 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

http://pitchforkmedia.com/features/weekly/06-02-06-space-disco.shtml

dom's mentioned thread is here.

Some nice stuff...but a bit confusing. These things already existed...Space Disco is a term that's been used since the 70s. And as I mention above, Cosmic is it's own thing, a specific scene and aesthethic, that claimed to be very anti-Italo disco. You mention cosmic disco, but not Cosmic. Dominique...are you presenting this suggesting that Space Disco is an umbrella terms for all these thing, or has it already entered the lexicon?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

pwned

=(

vahid (vahid), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you give me too much credit. I regretted not writing about Cosmic (and still do to an extent); my space disco is an umbrella term for things I see happening now (some of which recall things in 80s Italy), but not necessarily for anything that happened years ago. At the time I wrote it, I didn't include Cosmic because I decided a paradigm in the mid-80s was less important than just writing about the sound of the music now (and it seemed like the whole thing was starting to be me throwing in genre names all over the place).

so yes, it's confusing

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure it seems like I'm splitting hairs, but as a person who's used the term Space Disco for many years to mean a specific thing...you know. I mean, obv. most of what you discuss would fall under an umbrella term of Space Disco, but this wider, "beardo" aesthethic, that would include something like the idjits or whomever's bootlegging of TIna Turna doing Whole Lotta Love, or really the whole rock influence that we've discussed here...say Shakedown Street by the Dead or Disco Not Disco stuff, all very "beardo" but not Space Disco.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah - for the record, I'm pitching to add info about Cosmic to the piece now, so never let it be said that democracy doesn't work. as for beardo stuff, I tried to only list stuff in the primer that was space disco-y sounding (to my ears anyway), so hopefully people will get the idea if they seek out

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know if you've seen this...but one of the last Alldisco parties was for halloween, where we chose "space" as our theme. It was interpreted liberally at points, strictly at others:

http://alldisco.net/playlistsaudio.shtml

here's what I played that night:

giorgio moroder - battlestar galactica
quartz - quartz
space project - conquest of the stars
cerrone - tripping on the moon
die doraus und die marinas - fred vom jupiter

erotic drum band - pop pop shoo wah
lipps inc. - funkytown
koto - japanese war games
man parrish - heatstroke
patrick cowley - get a little

casco - cybernetic love
cyber people - void vision
the parallax corporation - crocodiles in the sky
lime - angel eyes

duran duran - planet earth
telex - moskow diskow
vivien vee - remember
slick - space bass
lindstrom - i feel space
mr. flagio - take a chance
i-f - space invaders are smoking grass
gary numan - cars
jonzun crew - pack jam

tantra - hills of katmandu
x-ray connection - get ready (special freak mix)
kebekelektrik - magic fly
sylvester - stars
pluton and the humanoids - world invaders

model 500 - no ufo's
fingers inc. - distant planet
a guy called gerald - voodoo ray
isolee - my hi-matic

byrds - mr. spaceman

but check out the full list, the other djs are ok also.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dominique-

Nice article. Pointed me towards some stuff I didn't know about, made me re-think some stuff I already had, and reminded me about some stuff i've been meaning to pick up.

I just dropped way two much on the new Quiet Village and Otterman Empire. I guess its drop way too much now or WAY WAY WAY too much a year or two down the road. Anyone know where I can find the 1st Quiet Village? Is it a lost cause?

grady, Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you give me too much credit. I regretted not writing about Cosmic (and still do to an extent); my space disco is an umbrella term for things I see happening now (some of which recall things in 80s Italy), but not necessarily for anything that happened years ago. At the time I wrote it, I didn't include Cosmic because I decided a paradigm in the mid-80s was less important than just writing about the sound of the music now (and it seemed like the whole thing was starting to be me throwing in genre names all over the place).
so yes, it's confusing

-- Dominique (d_leon...), February 6th, 2006.

I'm going to go out on a wild limb here (not at all really) and suggest that maybe it's confusing because you are, in fact, confused about it yourself, because you basically mined this whole idea from Dan (who first pointed this out) and Vahid (who further developed the idea on this thread) and that's really lame, and definitely unethical.

Yes, the idea of beardo house is not something exclusively owned by anyone, as those individuals inclined to pay close attention to trends emerging in more general music genres will note new patterns all on their own, but your title shift from beardo house to "Space Disco" makes your alleged reporting highly suspect, because Space Disco is actually a term that has been used long before Lindstrom's day, and though posters on ILM can hardly make a claim to intellectual property rights, the fact is that you actually get paid for your articles (amount is irrelevant), so the fact that you published this work without at least offering to cite your sources seems both unfortunate and plagaristic.

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, pitchfork asked me to write this before xmas, so I'd been collecting data since then. I will give Dan (and this thread) credit tho - lots of great ideas and info here. I was definitely inpsired to write more about "what came before" as a result of some of the links posted here. "space disco" is what I posted on the pfork staff board in october when I talked about this music, so I just kept it for the piece

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough I suppose.

ILM is a unique lab among the "for fun" internet forums, because while there's no doubt pretty much everyone on here is doing so for the love, it still none-the-less offers a goldmine of information from some highly credible sources (some known in larger circles as writers or musicians, some unknown but still brilliant writer/theorists in terms of music) and it would probably be a better idea for the writers on here to give credit where/when it's due.

Giles Manius (jsoulja), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

note to self: never write about dance music again

(note to Dan: I make fun of "beardo house" in pending L&PT review)

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

my only qualm was with conflating of terms. When you wrote above that you were writing about cosmic disco, I got the sense you were talking about cosmic disco=space disco, i.e. Cerrone or this Conquest of the Stars record I have, and I wasn't sure you were aware of this other thing called "Cosmic" that the dance dorks have been talking about for the last few years, which certainly crosses over, but has a decidedly different aesthethic. But like, what can I expect from a music writer who doesn't like Sonic Youth? Seriously man, I'd trade my entire dance music collection to be able to listen to Expressway to Yr. Skull forever and ever.

(note...just referencing an old debate/discussion for good fun...)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

there's one thing I didn't get from a Dan: a Sonic Youth mix

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

paid writers mining for ideas/info is the reason ILX exists, anyway. and dominique gets mad pts for digging up a bunch of stuff that wasn't mentioned on ILX at all, like ilya santana and releases on tirk + moodmusic ... my quibbles w/ the piece basically boil down to 1) i don't think viewlexx et al are on the same wavelength and 2) i wonder since maurice fulton clearly IS part of the freak-disco continuum, does the rest of the nuphonic stable make the cut?? (see fuzz against junk's insane cover of "born under punches", yellow sox (rocky + diesel) doing "flim flam", the arthur russell undercurrents of acts like fug and adam goldstone) ... actually, come to think of it, tirk is a sublabel of nuphonic!!

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I posted the mix I posted about way upthread to the group blog just now, sound quality isn't the best, there's some nasty shit going on during the Greenman track for some reason, old minidisc maybe, but it's a nice little mix.

http://beatresearch.blogspot.com/

x-post I agree about viewlexx btw

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

let me make sure i have this right

space disco = super dramatic italo about spaceships and shit
cosmic = "kozmische" music

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

nuphonic went bust. tirk is a completely new label run by a former nuphonicer.

dan, if i do you a ten hour edit of 'expressway to yr skull' can i have yr disco collection?

space disco = super dramatic italo about spaceships and shit

except it doesn't have to be italo.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, if I do YOU an edit.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

cosmic ­ "kozmishe"

although Cosmic includes kozmische. Check out any of the threads on djhistory or the Daniel Baldelli interviews.

space disco = pre-dates italo and was a major influence on italo. Most early italo is space disco (i.e., Tarzan Boy is NOT!) but not all space disco is italo!

The thing about viewlexx is they come from a more strict techno/electro background. Their italo-revitalizing I think certainly opened some of these doors, I think. But by now, it's all golden, I-F's tastes certainly seem broad. But most of the Creme/Viewlexx etc stuff is pretty electro.

The joke is, stir, I don't need a ten hour edit of Expressway because I have Evol on vinyl and it ends on a glorious lock groove! Shame on the CD for including the cover of bubblegum at the end instead of just letting the song skip for the rest of the CD.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

ok "cosmic" has got me more confused than not. ridiculously eclectic, pitched-down afro space reggae disco?

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

with new wave at the wrong speed and you've got it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

they probably played lots of grace jones, no?

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

probably. check out some of the cosmic mixes and links posted above. The DJ Loda ones that Gomma hosted were great, and tutu is awesome.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i need to buy 'evol' again as i tghink i fell asleep one time too many with it on the turntable and have worn out that lock groove.

i'm not a big fan of viewlexx but that i.f. presents the conservatives 12" is mega space disco.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

my fave as mentioned above is the italo sounding version of Crocodiles in the Sky, not the one that's on the Paralax Corp CD w/ female vocals, but the male vocal one that is super beautiful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Hearing Scritti Politti played slooow at Dan/Jeremy's party last night was illuminating.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed Dominique's piece. I've found myself really enjoying Lindstrom and Prins Thomas, so it's nice to see someone point out some similar sounds.

It's pretty daunting to dissect the different genres and sub-genres that exist in the electronic and dance music spheres. It's a blotchy, confusing asterism.

Thanks to Dan and Dom for drawing some connections.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

type in "beardo" on google and hit "i'm feeling lucky and see what happens.

then try the same but type "beardo house" instead.

grady (grady), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Oi Vahid, is the Adam Goldstone album from a few years back any good do you know? I've loved Tiny Trendies' "Sky Is Not Crying" ever since I heard it on the Playgroup DJ-Kicks mix but only recently found out it was Adam Goldstone behind it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not Vahid but I think it's mighty good.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.beardo.com/b3ta/linuxlewis.jpg
this page is mind-boggling
ihttp://www.beardo.com/b3ta/beardob3ta.htm

lf (lfam), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.beardo.com/b3ta/ep.jpg

lf (lfam), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"'They told me to do something with ostriches,' claims designer."

I'm never smoking pot again.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, it's a pretty strong indictment.

lf (lfam), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like almost everything talked about in this thread but I have no idea what to say about it. Maybe I need to hear it in a club first.

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

this is as good a place as any:

http://www.noordinarymonkey.com/

"suprises galore"

did someone say Harvey?

Caravan from Optimo at Night Time at Don Hills...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 16 February 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Harvey tonight at Cielo

before, Dazzle Ships, same details as posted above.

Beardo/simply unshaven FAP

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 20 February 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

keeping the beardo spirit alive:

http://www.discopia.com/portal/issues/issue7/cosmic/document_view

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Baldelli just released an album called "Cosmic Sound" but thats probably ot because a) its wall-to-wall tribal drumming and b) Baldelli has no beard

Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

also the Rekid debut album is due April 7th!! (Rekid = Matt Edwards = Radioslave = 1/2 of Quiet Village)

Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

web.tiscali.it looks amazing

lf (lfam), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.discopia.com/portal/issues/issue3/baldelli

has this ben posted up yet?

theghostrobot (theghostrobot), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

above, ben=been

anybody else think that shit robot's 'triumph' sounds pretty cosmic?

theghostrobot (theghostrobot), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my god does anybody have any leads on these mixtapes?

lf (lfam), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 07:51 (eighteen years ago) link

there's some way to get them, I know Doug Lee downloaded dozens (hundreds?). But for a taster check the ones on the Gomma site.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

rub n tug have SO bitten the idea for their logo from this thread:

http://www.rub-n-tug.com/images/beards.jpg

armalite roffle (haitch), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, riolb n tög, excellent

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link


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