Oh, Monseur le Fopp, you are really spoiling us...

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I'm expecting these Can albums to end up for a £5 in both HMV and Fopp - it's a race to see who's first!

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think you'd like him, do you like country?

i like slide guitars n' shit. i figure if uncut like him SO MUCH there must be something there.

can were £7 in hmv.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I will try again, Dadaismus. I thought it would be like Andalusia all the way through, hence disappointment, I think. I haven't listened to it all yet, just a bit this morning as I approached my place of qwork with a heavy heart.

On Vinatge Violence I like the extra track that is a viola drone best.

Roughage Crew, you can get a Gram Parsons 2CD compilation with a nice booklet from Monsieur Le Fopp (and other retailers) for £7. I think it is you best bet, as it covers his entire (short) career. I can't remember what it's called - Gilded Cowboy Sinners, or something.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i sodding well might, thx.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:27 (seventeen years ago) link

They use steel guitars RC, not slide guitars *rolls eyes heavenwards*

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

is that like the 'fairlight'? all this antique stuff confuses my young head.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Well to be precise, they use pedal steel guitars

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Can cds were £7.99 in HMV Oxford Circus when I went in there last week - I don't share Dada's faith that they will ever come down to a fiver, lotsa 'bargain' discs hold steady at around the seven quid mark (eg dark side of the moon). Still no sign of that eartly Tangerine Dream 3 disc set at HMV, they'd sold the Mouthus CD I had my eye on, and there was only a single, mis-filed alb in the Prurient section bah (HMV were doing the Crimes of the Future/Stereo Cronenberg DVD for a quid cheaper than Fopp, tho' - also waiting for that new Passenger DVD w/ Nicholson commentary to come down in price - hopefully in the next 'biggest sale evah')

I think ppl are often surprised at just how trad/country Gram Parsons actually sounds, esp. on the solo albs w/ Emmylou Harris. The two Flying Burrito Bros albs have been collected/compiled on various cheapish CD sets, and are prob. the place to start (tho' you can now get the original Gram vocal versions of the re-recorded Byrds tracks on that new 'special edition' of 'Sweetheart of the Rodeo'. The 'Hickory Wind' take is some of Gram's v. finest ever singing - the very definition of blue eyed country soul). To be honest as much as I like or even love Gram Parsons, I don't he ever comes close to matching the country-rock magnificence of Gene Clark circa the Godsin Bros/first Dillard and Clark albs - get those instead!)

Some of the songs on Paris 1919 are magnificent - Sally Timms of the Mekons does a very sweet cover of 'Half Past France' - dunno how anyone can find them 'boring'

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not the songs that are boring, it's his voice... apparently... and I can understand why some people might think that

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I was specifically looking for the LAST set of Can reissues i.e Saw Delight, Flow Motion etc. They were more than £7.99, I'm sure.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm also holding out on the Can remasters! £7.99's not bad but I've been spoilt by Fopp & Ebay and don't like spending that much on CDs these days.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose I'm just being silly in holding out for "Cluster '71" to come down in price?

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Fopp are still charging £13 for the Neu! reissues from a couple of years ago, so it might be too much to hope for them dropping Can to a fiver. Hmm.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:20 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah the neu things are a bitch! i got one as a present but am damned if i'm paying for any more.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to John Cale after Kate Bush, so I don't suppose that helps. Nothing wrong with boring voices, I suppose.

The Neu! resiisues were cheapish in Selectadisc some time ago. Maybe they still are, although it is Sister Ray now.

BTW, does everyone's Neu! (first one) cut off momentarily during track 2? Or did I get a dud? It ruins my cosmic reverie!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the old italian semi-bootleg Neu! cds and im not paying full price for the reissued ones. Those never come down.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's supposed to do that, the little tinkers (xpost)

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

**yeah the neu things are a bitch! i got one as a present but am damned if i'm paying for any more**

But the Neu albums are WORTH £13!

Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i suppose i have spent larger sums on worse things. but this is a matter of principle.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm never paying more than £8 for a CD ever again

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Well I know what you mean, you might get the Neu CDs for a tenner if you look everywhere, comb e-bay and stuff. But for music that great I say sod the principles, buy and enjoy!

Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW, does everyone's Neu! (first one) cut off momentarily during track 2? Or did I get a dud? It ruins my cosmic reverie!

-- PJ Miller (pjmiller6...) (webmail), Today 11:23 AM. (later) (link)

Yes, this was also on the original albums, apparently on purpose. Some of the bootleg issues of the past corrected this, to Neu's amusement...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

That was my problem then. I had the bootlegs before. I can stop preferring them now.

What a bizarre thing to do.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

how long is the gap?

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

about 1 second.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

brechtian.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

More wrecked than Brecht

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I've not spent over a tenner for a CD in about the last 10 years.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I paid £14+ for the Saint Etienne 'Nice Price' comp which is the most I've paid for a single cd album for several years. Still it was limited to 3000 copies and no doubt I'll be able to recoup it on ebay in years to come if necessary.

Dr C otm re Parsons, totally wretched. If you must buy some country get some George Jones or Merle Haggard first.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Parsons is "country rock" - it's different.

One of my favourites, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i was gonna say, i din't think he was yer actual country 'as such'.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

He's a lot more country than you might imagine

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i might stick to what i know in that case.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean this one, "Sacred Hearts and Fallen Angels":

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00005BC89/026-3945335-0330023?v=glance&n=229816

I don't know how much proper country has such blatantly Catholic titles - isn't it mostly Protestant?

The pedal steels sometimes go through fuzz boxes and effects pedals, which doesn't happen in "proper" country. And the drumming is different, I am told.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

A lot of the musicians on Gram's solo albs were from Elvis's Las Vegas groups - see also the 'Elvis Country' alb, which is much more country rock than anything Gram ever recorded post-Burritos

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I hear they smoke the barbecue as well...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

The pedal steels sometimes go through fuzz boxes and effects pedals, which doesn't happen in "proper" country.

oh that sounds nice, i'm warming to it again.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the Flying Burrito Bros, not his solo albums

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

>>> The Neu! resiisues were cheapish in Selectadisc some time ago. Maybe they still are, although it is Sister Ray now.

I went at lunch, they are still cheap - £6.99 each - but they only had 2 and '75, and I'm after the 1st one. Ah well.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The pedal steels sometimes go through fuzz boxes and effects pedals, which doesn't happen in "proper" country.

PJM, remind me to play you "Abilene" by Pete Drake and his Amazing Talking Steel Guitar sometime.

The Gram solo albums sound like country to us because country subsequently changed to sound like the Gram Parsons solo albums, I think. This point is, I suppose, fairly academic since we can only really respond to how they sound to us, but anyway.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Amazon used and new seems to me to beat Fopp on price most of the time, even given the postage charges, and I don't generally mind the wait.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Tim - I will. I think Joe Brown and the Bruvvers have a song that has something to do with a talking guitar.

Also George Jones has a song with guitar effects, I think it is for comedy purposes, sort of. I can't remember the title. He leaves off singing and the effects-laden guitar finsihes the line for him.

But yes, the fuzzbox is on the Burrito Brothers' albums (maybe just the first one?) but these tracks are included on the compilation referred to earlier. The effects pedals are quite judicioulsy used, it's not just random pratting about.

And those solo albums have some really beautiful songs, I think.

Meanwhile, I had another listen to Paris 1919, and I still didn't like it very much. Evidence of his voice limitations can be found on the alternate version of Andaluisia, just after the reference to castles and Christians. I suppose that is why they did another version, but it illustrates what I was talking about.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 July 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Her Name Is" is the George Jones song you're thinking of, I think. It's a particular favourite of mine. But I'm not sure it has any special effects on the pedal steel over and / or above that provided by the pedals themselves. I'm no expert, mind.

I think we agree about Gram Parsons, though I'm not yet moved to shell £13 or whatever for those alternate takes.

I also think we agree on John Cale, who's one of those people I hear loads of positive things about, from people wose tastes I respect (sometimes even trust) but I haven't managed to make myself like him.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 July 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

£15!

If I ever open it, rather than take it back, I will copy them for you, the alternate takes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 July 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you should take it back and buy the Joe Brown and the Bruvvers Box Set.

I was pleased to think that buying the Gram thing cheered you up. I hope you haven't been saddened by its continued state of shrinkwrappedness.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're in Edinburgh and looking for Neu and the Can reissues then Avalanche on Cockburn Street next to FOPP has Neu and Neu 2 for £6.99 and Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi and Monster Movie remasters for £7.99.

mms (mms), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Paris 1919 is one of my favourite records; I find Cale's voice very moving.

I say "favourite" but that just means it's one of about a dozen records (like House Tornado and Secrets of the Beehive) that assumed untouchable status in my head about 10-12 years ago and that I don't feel the need to revisit very often or reassess. This is probably a bad thing, I dunno.

In other news, I have unpacked all my CDs and set up my stereo for the first time in five months. The first CD tune I played (very quietly - it was nearly 1am when I finished plugged everything in) was Noel Akchote and Marc Ribot havin' a bash at Ornette Coleman's "New York" and the first vinyl tune was The Blue Aeroplanes' hooj summer smash "Yr Own World".

Perhaps I will blow the next Child Tax Credit payment in Fopp.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The Child Tax is one of my favourites, I have to say.

Congrats on the return of your stereo, MJ. Have you ascertained the precise location of the Sweet Spot, yet? Is the delicate technology well away from the reach of jammy, curious fingers?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you ascertained the precise location of the Sweet Spot, yet?

It about two feet above and 10-12 inches behind my sitting position in the middle of the couch (speakers are very high in this massively compromised arrangement), so I expect to develop fantastic neck muscles, like Garth Cr00ks.

Is the delicate technology well away from the reach of jammy, curious fingers?

No, the missus can reach it. Ho ho! DVD, VCR and power amps are all at Ava-level, unfortunately. Pam's a dab hand at knocking together nifty-looking panels and stuff from a bit of cheap tongue'n'groove, so I'm sure she can come up with something to shield them. I suggested a minefield.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link


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