was racking my brains as to why Jimmy = prise, then it struck me...
― Neil S, Friday, 6 May 2011 12:43 (twelve years ago) link
Eccentric Scotsman puts his finished documents here, by the sound of it (5)
― ledge, Monday, 9 May 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
Seriously annoyed with this clue from Paul in the guardian prize btw:
Into smacking, if I then propose shaking, the results should confirm it (3,5,2,2,3,7)
ans: The proof is in the pudding.
THE PROOF IS NOT IN THE FUCKING PUDDING
― ledge, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol outré.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:41 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― ledge, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:47 (twelve years ago) link
That is nice. I usually am terrified of clues with scots things in them ('Hamish's cradle', 'Classy In Inverness' etc etc). There's one most weeks in Azed & it just means a bloody war of attrition and then dictionary mining to find a dialect word or strange spelling I'll immediately forget.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 09:55 (twelve years ago) link
just had a look at that prize & god paul can be irritating.
In North America, island, island, island, island capital (7)
Fun, but next to no surface sense.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 10:41 (twelve years ago) link
can't see the problem with that pudding clue. or the answer.
(it's the kind of clue i get by the word sizes rather than the anagram though)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
there's no such phrase as "the proof is in the pudding".
"the proof of the pudding is in the eating" wouldn't fit across a standard sized crossword i guess.
― objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:00 (twelve years ago) link
have you tried googling recently?
was always 'proof is in the pudding' at ours - the ingredients are all well and good but the proof is in the finished result.
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
1st google result
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html
"That longer version makes sense at least, whereas the shortened version really doesn't mean anything"
― ledge, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:15 (twelve years ago) link
only seems to work with a truncated phrase but...
http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/chart?content=proof%20is%20in%20the%20pudding%2Cpudding%20is%20in%20the%20eating&corpus=0&smoothing=1&year_start=1800&year_end=2008
― ledge, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
i look at that graph and i see a massive decline for the one, the other going from strength to strength. it's just a matter of time... 8)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
"proof" doesn't mean "evidence" in this sense either, but "test", i.e. "the test of whether the pudding is any good is in its taste and not other considerations"
― objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
would be ok with this if Paul had set a themed enraging/divisive-phrases crossword - 'proof is in the pudding', 'another think coming', 'literally a viking' etc etc
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
we should do one.
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
*cough* "another think coming" is uncontroversial and correct
― objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
You know where to take it.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
what a fantastic thread.
i am sleep-deprived and can't do any of today's guardian, sigh.
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
proof is in the another vikink coming
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
i'm doing better than usual at today's guardian
Blend or brew or fictional small family member? (8)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
Borrower :)
― objectionable petty a-hole (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
v good
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
(wasn't mine. is Brummie from today's guardian)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
need 2 from today's guardian:
12A Powdered bottom (6) _ R _ U _ _
3D One unknown to get into firm danger (6) _ A _ A _ _
(the last letters are the same, the rest are unches)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
ground
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
hazard?
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
ah, with a-z to do with unknown somehow?
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
that's what I was thinking. it's how I get most clues tbh, vague hand-waving.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
yes and yes, thanks (and so obvious when you know)
i suck at dual definition clues.
z often used in algebra to denote an unknown variable. (or x or y)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
on a very bad day i resort to vague handwriting, just so onlookers think i've solved it
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
One = A (ie singular)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
x would have been the obvious algebra substitution but ok
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
you're so one-dimensional 8)
― koogs, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
a little flourish before and after I find helps with that.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
mr beanism
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Puzzle by Pasquale/Quixote/Don Manley in the New York Times this weekend.
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
Just did it. It was enjoyable, pretty easy.
Finally did puzzle that won The Nation contest. Very nice. Those guys edited a book of insanely hard variety cryptics, National Puzzler's League Cryptic Crosswords, which is now out of print, but can be found on the web for free.
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
And NON-U was an answer in last Saturday's NY Times puzzle to the clue "Bourgeois, to a Brit."
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
We have so much to learn from each other, as a wise man recently said.
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
i've never properly understood the U and non-U thing, it's something to do with some bollocks snobbery from some snidey middle class git in the 1930s or something i think
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 May 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
Nancy Mitford word list of social shibboleths was it?
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 15 May 2011 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_and_non-U_English
"U and non-U English usage, with U standing for upper class, and non-U representing the aspiring middle classes, were part of the terminology of popular discourse of social dialects (sociolects) in 1950s Britain and New England. The debate did not concern itself with the speech of the working classes, which in many instances used the same words as the upper class."
― koogs, Sunday, 15 May 2011 07:50 (twelve years ago) link
(ie what fizzles said)
― koogs, Sunday, 15 May 2011 07:53 (twelve years ago) link
lol at today's guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crosswords/cryptic/25326
― koogs, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
nood vague, it's part of a whole contrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroversy that's summarised in a book 'noblesse oblige' with contributions from a mitford and a waugh and a linguist/sociology wonk. the l/s/w. wrote some lazy half-serious piece about 'u' and 'non-u' usage - like for a roast or something - and mitford wrote a piece about how these were important and serious things and the last bastion of the genteel and waugh wrote a piece going 'tch' and shaking his head but basically agreeing. if you read it you will want to kill everyone involved
― thomp, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
which is why i've not read it :D
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
spoilers (aforementioned crossword was based on ivor novello awards. 'scouting for girls', 'kylie minogue', 'plan b' etc. trendy vicar...)
― koogs, Friday, 20 May 2011 09:44 (twelve years ago) link
did pretty badly at that, considering. colleague got scouting and plan b but none of us got the kylie anag. got everything everything by deduction but i'm not sure i've ever heard of them, certainly never heard them.
i'd always imagined the ivor novello as some kind of poncey 'high culture' awards, seems like they're just another brits.
― England's banh mi army (ledge), Friday, 20 May 2011 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
kind of like a Geir-ified Brits iirc
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 May 2011 10:19 (twelve years ago) link