Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

I don't know, were you just stating the obvious in the worst possibly phrased way?

yes probably

What I don’t get is why marriage should be restricted to couples. Why should a merry gang of lifelong friends be deprived of the possibility of sealing their togetherness? For it’s scarcely about love. I love plenty of people, and it’s revolting that I should have to single them down to some “significant other.” Coupleism — the last form of acceptable repression?

Yeah, but think about how expensive dinner would be.

What I don’t get is why marriage should be restricted to couples.

cuz making it otherwise is a massive legal headache. the very concept of marriage "benefits" requires that those benefits not be conferred to anyone in any situation. sorry, some restrictions are necessary. besides, who wants to create a whole legal framework for polygamy, sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

polygamy also traditionally oppressive/beneficial to one gender at the expense of the other.

Threesomes are fun and all, but I wouldn't want to worry about a partner's sexual stability when I have to wait in line for the bathroom.

Hi everyone I can remember sleeping with steals covers, I should MULTIPLY that by some larger number and freeze to death completely??

Also fuck you, you people, a bed is not a burrito.

my friend used to babysit for a kid who would say "tuck me in LIKE A BURRITO"

I thought that said "fuck me like a burrito"

sorry

me too

Funniest possible things to say during moment of climax.

A very good thing -- but let's see what happens in November.

Of course, I can see people using this as a talking point:

One of the first couples to wed, the lead plaintiffs in San Francisco's lawsuit challenging marriage laws, has since separated and is no longer part of the case.

You mean gay couples can divorce like straight couples? You don't say!

I'm not optimistic about the amendment on the Florida constitution, up for voting in America.

Connecticut Supreme Court joins the party:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hcu-gaymarriage-1010,0,7812756.story

Does that make you angry Morbs?

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no. As long as the state is marrying people, it should be marrying everybody.

Need to bait the hook better next time.

bait yrself, Jersey hater

As long as the state is marrying people, it should be marrying everybody.

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/wt/wt070226let_oscar_be_oscar/benigni-lg.jpg

yes, let's get Rev Moon to marry us all to Pinocchio.

I don't actually hate NJ. I just think it's cool that there's a character than looks like NJ.

i think gay marriage is bullshit--i think all marriage is bullshit. i was walking around christopher st this summer and some woman from fox news with a big camera wanted to interview me about the subject--i assume b/c i was the gayest person she could find in the village, but i declined.

it's a weird issue b/c i think it's so consumed the queer movement in the US that, at this point, if someone says theyre against gay marriage, it means they're homophobic. which made it hard to watch biden sidestep the question in the debate.

but in the end--why would i want to be part of your fucked up, heteronormative, historically misogynist tradition? so i can have my relationships okayed by straight people? whatevz.

I hope this doesn't wind up giving fuel to the McCain campaign, given that both tickets are against gay marriage anyway.

While I have some sympathy for the "all marriage is bullshit" argument, I think it's a bit short-sighted. I don't think it takes into account why people enter into marriages, which is not always for normative reasons. (And there is nothing at all heteronormative about gay marriage? Almost by definition? I mean the whole problem is that it's a queering of a text/ritual/concept, surely.)

i think that the reason gay marriage has become the center of the gay rights movement is that it seems totally safe to straight people. i.e. they can see it as "oh, gay people are just like us!" which then leads to real downwithit straight folks asking halfjokingly who "the man" is, ha ha. i don't really buy that it's queering anything.

seems to me that any legit reason people enter into marriages for (i.e. civil rights, immigration, etc) should be guaranteed to people whether or not theyre fucking anyone.

gays should go back to reminding us that they're not totally safe to straight people

I am using that post as evidence that when you die and your estate is getting divided, ptero

remove "that" from sentence

the second "that"

ABORT SNAPPY POINT ATTEMPT REPEAT ABORT

i dont have an estate b/c i am so RADICAL & QUEER

i float above your petty economics like a revolutionary fairy!!!

Face it, breeders. We're just not cool enough to hang with the queers.

i float above your petty economics like a revolutionary fairy!!!

No, just a powerless one...

as opposed to if i had the incredibly powerful right of marriage? o please, bless me with yr straight privileges!

take us to your magical land free from historically misogynist institutions

welcome to lesbian separatism my friend

you will feel weirdly at home here.

Crutis, are you considering becoming a lesbian?

I mean, some gays aren't safe to straight people, and some straights aren't safe to gay people, and some are, and some of each want to get married, and some don't, etc., etc.

sure... it just is disappointing that the whole queer movement focuses around marriage when (it seems to me) there are so many more relevant & important issues. & i recognize it's a PR move, but for who?

i teach HS... i hear kids getting called faggot & dyke several times a day; see kids struggle vs in tolerant parents; watch pregnant teens slowly drop out. & then i'm supposed to rally behind the very (i think) middle class issue of gay marriage? like that's gonna make an iota of difference to the 16 yr old queer kid in my class? like thats gonna help transgendered people or poor people or anyone who isnt already doing ok?

i mean god bless the middle class & everything but it just isnt a movement i feel particularly inspired by.

marriage is gay

i totally support gay marriage. equal rights, this is HUMAN BEINGS we're talking about!

It's not going to make a difference to them now, maybe; it surely will make more of a difference to the queer kid in your class ten, twenty years from now. Did Stonewall make a huge difference to the queer kid in a Seattle classroom in 1969? Maybe, but probably not right away.

(Also many European countries that have legalized gay marriages have also seen a steady decline in all marriages -- though of course correlation is not causation.)

i think stonewall (insofar as it was about people's right to exist as queer) was significantly more radical than gay marriage. and as such--perhaps trickled down to the rest of the queer community in a more meaningful way.

i buy this philosophy pretty much: http://www.beyondmarriage.org/index.html

i mean, i get the argument--that thru middle class gay folks becoming more mainstream the freaks and faggots and transpeople and whoever will benefit. but it's kinda a lame movement anyway. it's like--sure, mainstream 1970s white feminism helped out women of color, too. but it was still pretty wack the way that went down.

(not to draw inapplicable parallels or WHATEVZ)

I feel like such a hypocrite about gay marriage because I have zero interest in being married myself, I've been in a relationship now for sixteen years and I'm psychically as married as I could ever be to another man, but the state has no business confirming/denying/permitting what is already true.

That said, the painful way that gay marriage's untouchability united McCain and Obama was truly cringe-worthy, and it reminded us all watching at home on TV that the whole "we'll give you whatever you want, just don't call it marriage" line that they BOTH trotted out is some seriously "separate but equal" segregationist bullshit that stinks to fag heaven.

with that said, if granting marriage to the homos can somehow magically undermine the institution of marriage, i am all for it!

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to pigmy: yeah, i agree totally. it's funny cuz when they asked that Q at the VP debate i was like, "oh who cares" & then by the end of biden's answer i was like, "YOU PIECE OF SHIT HOMOPHOBIC ASSHOLE!!!!" (let alone whatever palin was spewing about her 'tolerance')