Year-End Critics' Polls '08

I guarantee I've heard every rap record that you're heard that isn't some oi oi oi bullshit with someone talking about smoking weed over a PlayStation

about 30 nat'l releases for me (if you count mixtapes and local releases, then triple that #), and I also agree with Whiney.

Why should they have been "insincerely elevated", blueski? Especially when I assume the Lex voted for Badu as his favourite album and I know a few others (myself included) who had it in their top five. There's no reason to believe it wasn't placed exactly according to the votes it got. Same goes for Lil Wayne.

fair dos i was being overly cynical. i just can't imagine a non-rock album being voted #1 but then am half-thinking 'well that's probably fair enough when you look at who's voting in these things and how everything is slanted against 'other' and why shouldn't one ethos dominate if that's an honest reflection of things etc.

I have a solution! Maybe these magazines and newspapers and websites and blogs should just vote for NO music by colored people! That would solve their tokenism issue!

Marcello, I'm usually with you, but you're not making a whit of sense.

To be honest most if not all of the Grauniad's Top 50 should have been rap/R&B/grime/dance/reggaeton but I fully understand their need to keep their elderly readership happy with dollops of grim Bob Harris/Radcliffe & Maconie-friendly whiteboy whingeing. Hauntology really is so 2006.

no, The Reverend, that's ridiculous. they should have their own list.

I have a solution! Maybe these magazines and newspapers and websites and blogs should just vote for NO music by colored people! That would solve their tokenism issue!

thinking of imposing a "no white people" rule on my lists

(though i think the only artist who'd be affected is ashlee simpson)

lolntology

How can all these mags release their best-of-2008 lists now, when there's still more than a month left of 2008?

It is a well-known fact that most albums released in December are usually either "best of" compilations or crowded with songs about Santa, reindeers, Christmas trees, snow and mistletoes.....

ONLY MY TASTES ARE VALID GET WITH IT, PEOPLE

Hey, Geir, would you like to get involved in this race debate? You could only improve it!

ok i) i don't believe this,

why don't you believe it? anything other than 'narrow-minded bias/conspiracy among media' type reasons?

ii) if rock is more popular then it shouldn't be - and the media should be the ones transmitting this.

'shouldn't be' only because more balance seems good (even if it's not really proportionately representative of national cultures), not just 'let's tip the scales the other way'

I haven't seen Geir's list yet but how can he leave out Sounds Of The Valleys or The Priests or the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards or any of the other highly melodic tunesmiths on sale for £6.96 at Tesco?

It's the same with all these polls, really; the innovative and truly talented are seldom even mentioned, it's always the mediocrities and Buggins' turns who've been around for years.

Lex, Marcello: are black people better at singing and dancing than white people?

Yes or no, no need for expansion at all.

My head is spinning around right now, exorcist-style.

I do not believe Jean Charles de Menezes died just so that Fleet Foxes and Glasvegas could live.

Marcello, four minutes ago:

http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/files/troll_2.jpg

'shouldn't be' only because more balance seems good (even if it's not really proportionately representative of national cultures), not just 'let's tip the scales the other way'

"national cultures"?????

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41608000/jpg/_41608984_morris_dancing_pa_416.jpg

Invented by Moroccans, you do know that?

To be honest most if not all of the Grauniad's Top 50 should have been rap/R&B/grime/dance/reggaeton but I fully understand their need to keep their elderly readership happy with dollops of grim Bob Harris/Radcliffe & Maconie-friendly whiteboy whingeing. Hauntology really is so 2006.

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― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, December 12, 2008 7:21 AM Bookmark

And how many 2008 reggaeton albums have you listened to exactly?

looooool

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/01/critics.jpg

About forty, but a lot more singles - well into triple figures.

o rly

my, that's a big number!

For the record, TVOTR do try to rap, briefly, on their new album. It's not to their credit.

Why don't you make us a CD-R of reggaeton songs that are better than TV On The Radio so we can listen to it.

how many riddims were there this year?

Damn, we could have used Marcello's input on the rolling reggaeton thread this year when we were talking about how barely anything is coming out.

I'm listening to Time's Up right now, as promised.

racist.

"For the record, TVOTR do try to rap, briefly, on their new album. It's not to their credit."

They did it as a favour to Marcello.

my no 1 is erykah, but young jeezy, wiley* and nappy roots made really outstanding albums; lil' wayne, t.i. and trina made inconsistent ones but with amazingly high highs; will also rep for gucci mane, bun b and tinchy stryder too (they're certainly better than tv on the radio, at any rate).

What about Sway?

You're all arguing with someone who called Bob Marley an "Uncle Tom" and Leona Lewis a "half-caste". And while it's usually amusing to point out the holes in the argument of people whose virulent anti-racism makes them look worse than the (relatively mild) thing they're attacking, there is no reasoning with Marcello when he gets into this state so I wouldn't bother.

what time do you call this?

Sorry, I've been busy.

i wasn't really feeling the sway album beyond 'f ur x' (which is admittedly amazing) - it wasn't funny enough, and a sway who doesn't make me laugh is a pointless sway

I'm sure Lil Wayne will be cursing finishing lower than Metronomy in a few polls, all the way to the bank.

i think the ratio of people arguing with marcello to people just pointing and laughing is at least 4:1

random youuuutuuuube of 'f ur x' for the americans! just to make this thread a happy place again

"does my girl tink me a dunce? bellin off ya bloodclaat phone when she wants"

You're all arguing with someone who called Bob Marley an "Uncle Tom" and Leona Lewis a "half-caste". And while it's usually amusing to point out the holes in the argument of people whose virulent anti-racism makes them look worse than the (relatively mild) thing they're attacking, there is no reasoning with Marcello when he gets into this state so I wouldn't bother.

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― Matt DC, Friday, December 12, 2008 7:54 AM Bookmark

Goddamn, I forgot about this shit. Marcello, I apoligize for calling you a "quasiracist dickwipe". You are a plain ol' racist dickwipe.

I cannot believe the lack of Cat Power on these. It kills Modern Guilt with a scimitar. And the lack of Ladyhawke is a bit boggling as well. And of course, Girl Talk is just the worst "music" ever made.

*SIGH*

how can you get that excited about Ladyhawke tho? couple of pleasant radio-friendly electropop songs but surely that's it. i'd sooner have Ladytron (ignored because it's the same old same old but they've refined it enough to keep me coming back to the best tracks damn them)

Thanks, lex. That was awesome.

I'm listening to Time's Up right now, as promised.

― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 12, 2008 10:46 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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just wanted to be first in with the screen name bite.