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Nice show in DC tonight. Loved the emo intro with the reference to Rites of Spring, and the Mr. Rogers story. Sorry about your health. Best wishes.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 March 2008 06:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

wishing u good stuff

gabbneb, Sunday, 23 March 2008 06:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Good luck, John, yr the bestest.

maciej recognizing trill, Sunday, 23 March 2008 06:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

all health, j0hn - hope you get to make it down here soon enough.

energy flash gordon, Sunday, 23 March 2008 06:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

thanks for the great show last night! you looked the picture of health, fwiw. all best wishes.

W i l l, Sunday, 23 March 2008 13:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

just got the PR about the resched - glad to hear you're still playing Manning, was really looking forward to seeing youse (and Wurster!) there

john della boscaoila (sic), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 03:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am hearing them now, on last fm, a song called 'Source Decay'. It sounds like one fellow singing over one rough acoustic guitar. The recording sounds prety rough too, I don't know why that is.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 10:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe cuz it wasnt recorded v well

t_g, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 11:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think the early stuff is pretty much on the rough side.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 12:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, man, start with Tallahassee and explore from there if yer at all interested.

Perry-Como-Zombie-Memorial-Radio-Now! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 12:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

"tallahassee" is the one about that couple breaking up, isn't it? that album is amazing. going into very dark regions of the soul.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 12:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

yep. that one and the following two are my all-time faves by J0hn.

Perry-Como-Zombie-Memorial-Radio-Now! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 12:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

In true fickle form, my favorite MG album is the last one I played.

i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

i just discovered "the black ice cream song" from zopilote machine on shuffle. i have a bunch of albums, but except for sunset tree, which i know front to back, i pay attention to one or two tracks for a long time and then keep finding what seem like new tracks.

mte, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 14:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

I always recommend All Hail West Texas as a starting point for some reason, I've never really thought about why, just seemed reasonable. Maybe because the first thing they hear is the Best Ever Death Metal Band Out of Denton and that track seems to appeal pretty bluntly to most people? Er...

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh, and they sound rough because he recorded that early stuff on a boombox (multi-xpost)

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, but that album sounds pretty one-note.

Perry-Como-Zombie-Memorial-Radio-Now! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

in terms of...?

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

style, sound, 'production', song-writing, you name it.

Perry-Como-Zombie-Memorial-Radio-Now! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've never got much beyond Tallahassee (although I own about half-a-dozen), but by golly, Tallahassee is a fucking extraordinarily good record.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

huh, my thoughts on it all were more along the lines of "cohesive" or "consistent", but I suppose I can see what you're saying (xpost)

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

well, yeah, that's exactly what i meant; it's all consistently one-note. th real problem for me, actually, is that it gets kinda hard to pay attention after the awesome opener. for me, it just ends up sinking into the background pretty much from that point on. i actually kinda wish J0hn would remake some of the stronger songs, or at least release live versions maybe.

Perry-Como-Zombie-Memorial-Radio-Now! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 15:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

In hindsight you might be right...if my memory is accurate (though it's been a few years, and it isn't), all my favorite tracks are in the first half of the disc.

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 16:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's a pretty great one-two punch to open all hail west texas. those just-slightly-poetic codas —"if you punish a person," etc., and "your grandfather rode the boat over from ireland"—really punctuate the suburban drama.

mte, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 16:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

at least release live versions maybe

there are a lot of live versions of j0hn's stuff out there

t_g, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 17:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Been falling in love all over again with 'Tallahassee' and 'The Sunset Tree' lately. "I'm gonna make it through this year, if it kills me." *heart*

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 17:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

so this Last Night of Your Life tour with Kaki King, what's it like? taking turns, playing together, her material, his material, the collaborative songs? excited...

W i l l, Thursday, 2 October 2008 17:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

there're lots of links to great live stuff on the Mountain Goats' site.

oh, and, uh, best band ever, etc.

BigLurks, Thursday, 2 October 2008 17:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

glad to hear you're still playing Manning

Rescinding this – it’s $52 at the uni and $20 in a depressed coal-mining port, so driving up the coast to see them. But mainly posting to alert J0hn that although Jester’s Pies have gone bust, while he's in the area today, the franchisee in Newtown bought out the location and it’s running as Janet’s Pies with similar, but not quite as exciting, pastry-encased vegetable matter.

venkman boners are totally canon (sic), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

went to the morrissey fan site to check out some new album stuff and saw a story that linked to the goats doing "suedehead"! : )

you can't stop the shinin' (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

kind of an annoying article. those pieces happen, what's the big deal? sure they're kind of obvious, but i don't believe they're completely lost on the artists in question. w/r/t to the goats piece, an avid fan (friend of mine) was really excited to see it.

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

not feelin that gawker thing at all

just sayin, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

"In fact, profiles of super-cool independent musicians in mass-market consumer magazines almost inevitably turn out to be cringe-inducing, forced exercises in justifying the relevance of an artist that often doesn't really care about being relevant to begin with."

so non-mainstream musicians don't care about being relevant? hmmm

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's weird to throw the new yorker profile in there also, they have profiles of lots of pretty obscure ppl right? also that article was dope

just sayin, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

(the nyer one i mean)

just sayin, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

they have profiles all the time, obscure or not. it's like he's annoyed that these artists are getting mainstream attention -- "i liked them before you did!!"

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah that's really the only reason i can think he would have bothered writing this

anyway like someone said in the comments, the reason why he can do this list is bcz profiles generally follow a formula (no matter who's getting profiled)

just sayin, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

I really didn't like that New York magazine article. One of the reasons I like The Mountain Goats so much is that for the most part, John's songwriting doesn't fall into the "sensitive acoustic troubador" category. That's why I got into them so much, it was so weird to hear a lone-wolf-with-acoustic guitar guy who wasn't just all "I'm so sad," but instead wrote these wry, literary songs about fictional people's sadness. I mean that's sort of changed these days, since The Sunset Tree and all, but I feel like the NY mag article is trying to pigeonhole John, trying to fit him into a category to which he never belonged.

I could be dead wrong, of course.

telepathy_rock!, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

No, actually you're dead right and I'm with you.

ilxor, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

I didn't really like the New York mag article because, well...

Wesley, of course, read from the Book of Darnielle, while the next girl read the lyrics of Conor Oberst, a.k.a. the folksinger Bright Eyes. Wesley was disgusted. “Bright Eyes is not a man, he’s just a boy,” Wesley told me. “Bright Eyes is just this over the top ‘I am wussy man, hear me roar.’ Did you know the word virtue comes from the Latin word for man? You get too sensitive, you lose your strength. And his stuff is so vague. John once wrote a song that has a line ‘I love you because you gave me sausage and cheese when I was hungry’—it’s earned because it’s a concrete thought: You fed me, that’s why I love you.”

if you like it then you shoulda put a donk on it (bernard snowy), Monday, 16 March 2009 14:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol at the comments on the new yorker piece:

By ping on 03/04/2009 at 6:35pm

Sappy and pathetic and please no more.
By ELECTRAfied26 on 03/08/2009 at 10:45pm

What did I just read?
By whygodwhy on 03/09/2009 at 7:03pm

I mean explain it to me, in a way a stoned person could understand.
By whygodwhy on 03/09/2009 at 7:04pm

joe, Monday, 16 March 2009 15:02 (eight years ago) Permalink


but it seems the problem is more with the publications overall, than with how they tackle INDIE music, no?

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 15:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

i mean sometimes i have a problem reading anything in the new yorker

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 15:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

that was retarded

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 March 2009 15:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think the authors point isnt "oh how passe and lame and uncool of you to write about neko case"--i think the point he wants to make is "writing, as a journalist, about bands for which you have a deep & abiding affection doesnt make for very good journalism."

there are all sorts of sub-issues he has with that--like, deciding to write a piece abt your favorite band will often lead to paper-thin justifications for writing about that band so as to avoid the appearance that youre just writing about the band because you like them--and also that writing a piece about a band you love is a lot more likely to lead to the kind of cliched darkness-success-redemption story arc than writing about a band for a different reason (say, they have a new & compelling arc to their career, or you can make a successful argument for their uniqueness as a band).

obviously this is all subjective--to wide-eyed fans of neko case, john darnielle, etc., these artists are so compelling just on the face of it that you shouldnt need a justification to write about them! but to the other portion of the population (say, me) who dont really care too much for andrew bird, i need more of a reason than "hes really good" to read about him (in a journalistic setting, of course; criticism is a different animal, at least in the eyes of the blog post)

i guess i kind of agree with him.

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 16 March 2009 15:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

when i say kind of, i mean, the darnielle piece wasnt poorly written, just poorly conceived, and i basically disagree about the bonnie prince billy piece for a couple reasons, incl. the new yorkers tendency towards hook-less articles that stand on the strength of their writing, and oldhams comparative stature vs. case, bird, darnielle (no offense john)

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 16 March 2009 15:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

or something.

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 15:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

on a more positive note, my sixteen year old cousin is coming to visit me in a few weeks so she can go see the mountain goats thing with slice-of-key-lime-pie. her father is dying of cancer (soon) and she really needs to get outta the house for a while.

i guess that wasn't positive.

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 15:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

The justification for writing about anything is always "I find this interesting/informative/entertaining" (delete where applicable). There isn't really anything else to it as far as I can tell, regardless of the subject or the setting, so I don't get where you're coming from, max (the disconnect appears to be between what you find intersting/informative/entertaining and what NYer editorial finds i/i/e).

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Monday, 16 March 2009 15:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

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