Just wanted to save this photo for posterity that Dangerous Minds used:
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:02 (nine years ago) link
Also, Nitsuh's piece is wonderful.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:03 (nine years ago) link
It's a good piece. Not sure about the 'great women of post-punk' idea, though. Siouxsie, Ari and Poly were very much class-of-76 and mobilised by the Pistols gigs of early that year, even if it took them all 2-3 years to get records out. You might call some Banshees and Slits records 'post-punk' but they were solidly rooted in the ethos of London 1976. Delta 5 and the Au Pairs were provincial 3rd-wave 1979ers and of course much more overtly political and serious.
But yes, RIP. It's a real tragedy - she was a true original.
― Dr.C, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 08:21 (nine years ago) link
Dr.C! Good to see you here, though for an understandably sad reason. And that's an interesting detail you bring up; it's always seemed much more blurred over here/to a later generation.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 12:36 (nine years ago) link
I think it's reasonably straightforward to recognise those that came in xxx's wake but weren't directly influenced by xxx, but whoever xxx were influenced by as well.
i.e. as opposed to the bandwagon-jumpers, and those that could do their make-up "just like Siouxsie"
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 12:54 (nine years ago) link
Hi Ned :) I still look in once in a while just to keep an eye on things :)
― Dr.C, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 13:56 (nine years ago) link
I'm also not sure about the 'great women of post punk' idea either. There's a tendency to group female artists together (or in other combinations such including as Debbie Harry, Chrissie Hynde, Patti Smith) when what they have most in common is that they are women and quite different as artists.
― Bob Six, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 13:57 (nine years ago) link
I think the intimation (at the time) was that the majority of women in "rock" before that were 'similar'...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:03 (nine years ago) link
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:08 (nine years ago) link
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:09 (nine years ago) link
Grouping together Chrissie Hynde, Debby Harry, Viv Albertine, Siouxie Sioux, Poly Styrene and Pauline Black has a long history, literally
― bendy, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:17 (nine years ago) link
Ha! - I was listening to Silly Billy this morning. It was mixed in with a load of X-Ray Spex tracks on my ipod.
― Dr.C, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:19 (nine years ago) link
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:11 (nine years ago) link
this woman was able to project so much emotion through her voice, it leaps and bounds off of the records. so inspirational.
― sleeve, Thursday, 28 April 2011 04:45 (nine years ago) link
Agreed about one of the great voices obv, but also 1 x great LYRICIST to my mind. A thing I was surprised by when finding teh ilx @ abt 2001-2 was that people seemed to think maybe she was a bit urm "didactic" about what she thought and ideology and stuff -- while me I'd cherished the songs for being open-ended in any meaning, twasnt clear to which degree did she pose herself as an opponent vs part of what she (surely, possibly or not at all) railed against? I wanna be a frozen pea! Maybe "irony" was just a given in 1978 and/or 2001?
That were many words; in few words: great great LYRICIST.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:58 (nine years ago) link
Um I see I wasn't extremely clear there... Example:
Genetic engineeringCould create the perfect raceCould create an unknown life-forceThat could us exterminate*
Introducing worker cloneAs our subordinated slaveHis expertise proficiencyWill surely dig our grave
Interpretation a) oh no genetic engineering is scary and bad!Interpretation b) hi dere I just wrote a hopefully fun scifi pome to go with a song hurrah!
... and I would tend twds b).
*) This is a bit of a clunker I must admit.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:10 (nine years ago) link
Think you are otm, Ole.
― A Bop Gun for Dinosaur (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 April 2011 04:14 (nine years ago) link
Why does no one ever talk about Translucence? I get that it pales in comparison to her more famous work, but it's really lovely, although the energy is the polar opposite of her work with the Spex. I have yet to dig any further into her solo work, but I'm glad I discovered this.
― Horse Throat (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:07 (four years ago) link
Just watched that BBC broadcast from '79, "Who Is Poly Styrene?" (on YouTube). I found it difficult to pick up on all the voice-over commentary. Great document, but I did find it all a little depressing.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 July 2017 16:17 (two years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 May 2020 12:49 (one month ago) link
I contributed to Kickstarter a few years ago for a documentary involving Poly Styrene's daughter. Still waiting--hope it didn't get derailed.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 May 2020 12:51 (one month ago) link
― Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 May 2020 13:42 (one month ago) link
clemenza, this article mentions your documentary being still in production. Seems like an interesting approach. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidchiu/2019/10/14/poly-styrene-punk-icon-biography-dayglo/#4d2f69ef3685
Meanwhile, a documentary about Styrene directed by Paul Sng (which involves both Howe and Bell) is currently in production. “Its angle is more of a communication between daughter and mother,” Howe says of the film, “with the story unfolding via letters from Celeste to Poly amid interviews threaded throughout. Some of the interviewees appear in both projects, some exclusively were for the book. The letters also appear in adapted or expanded forms in the book, too.”
― Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 May 2020 13:46 (one month ago) link