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― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 00:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i liked that surkin song 'white knights two' a lot, from earlier this year.
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 00:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Sawtooth Sucka is Lee Mortimer's alias, I remember most of it being alright.
As an experiment listen to it and report back?
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 02:29 (fifteen years ago) link
intro from "wild style" - played out1. ok i like this in theory. except the stupid overdriven bassline. actually it's okay when they chop it up. the jimmy smith sample is also played, though.2. if i'm going to listen to big beat, i'd rather listen to the wiseguys or midfield general or bentley rhythm ace or ... this is pretty bad.3. don't see the appeal of this. there's gotta be much better baltimore club music than blaqstarr. why is he so popular?4. hey, this is fantastic! i especially like the synth-y part that comes in after the breakdown ... but please lose the n-bombs, white boy 5. this is awful. devone : jesse saunders :: primal scream : rolling stones6. like i said, i would've been cool with this in the 90s when i was listening to lots of neil landstrumm type gear.7. sinden & herve's "don't give a damn" makes all fidget-housey sampling of lil jon irrelevant8. this is less funky than caspa & rusko, even.9. hate to resort to overdone slang ... but, really? "party like robin leach"? where did they get this guy? RIP disco d.10. boring11. BOOOOORING12. i'm skipping around in itunes now, i'm so bored.13. when everyone else was buying miss kittin records, i bought all four volumes of "the perfect beats"! hooray for me! BOOOOORING.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link
13. when everyone else was buying miss kittin records, i bought all four volumes of "the perfect beats"! hooray for me! BOOOOORING.
ok i was with u but this actually sounds dope & was also true of me
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:34 (fifteen years ago) link
http://partyends.com/blog/?p=882http://partyends.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/135_-project-pat-keep-it-hood.mp3btw this is an exact example of what im talking about it except it seems pretty well mastered, like no shitty qual engineeringbut the song is shitty, loses everything good about the original, doesnt seem to get when you're supposed to 'release' after the 'build'the farty bass doesnt actually seem to relate to the melody of the sample, like its totally emotionless, just bland non-mood. and who the fuck dances to "hustling section eight" that would also know who bird peterson is
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link
theres a section at the end where it just lets the chorus play over that bassline and it actually sounds all right -- but he only lets it play once & its after the song has been pulling u around the entire time
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link
martin brothers just sounds like someone slapped parts of a villalobos track on top of a sami koivikko track without regard to flow or vibe
sawtooth sucka i guess has a beat that would've acceptable a few years ago at the height of the classic / music for freak boompty boomp peak. what have they done to improve on the formula? some intentionally nasty grating synths to appeal to the boyz noize crowd? sorry, not *that* impressed. i've heard soooooo much stuff in this style that's better.
the popof track is just bad. same deal with the boompty beats, now with annoying 8-bit noises and wobble bass out of dubstep.
i don't know, it just sounds like people are throwing together shit that doesn't even make sense together for the hell of it. i'm trying to imagine actually dancing to this music - somehow it seems like all of the "swing" in the music is terribly foreshortened. like instead of actually making a beat that swings, it all sounds so ... rushed. like, not sloppily made, but the beats and bleeps and whatnot are all just crammed in there without any space or anything. it doesn't have that half-time swing feeling of hardcore or millsian techno.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link
the farty bass doesnt actually seem to relate to the melody of the sample
YES
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:41 (fifteen years ago) link
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej)
game recognize game
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link
[/hypocrite]
trying to imagine dancing to this type of music in a club, and all i can imagine is standing around doing nothing for long stretches of time, and then in the really hectic wobble bass parts just spastically waving one around while holding a drink in the other. and i'd be wearing a big hoody, fluorescent plastic sunglasses and a rainbow printed fitted way up on my head. which is basically what i was surrounded by in the "hip" clubs in san diego looked like when i stopped going out three years ago.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i think that gets at what i dont like about it -- i feel like, when im dancing to this stuff, theres an awful lot of dicking around with the beat with no functional purpose, like they're doing it because its what you're supposed to do w/ a remix, and as a dancer you're just sort of like "ok i get the point, move on plz" ------ a lot of dance music uses this sort of thing to build tension and it seems like when its dance music i like that tension, and your patience, is rewarded bcuz eventually there's this big release, but that never seems to come on this stuff. Instead the 'release' is solely the point at which u go "oh i know this song!! but it doesnt sound like the version i know!!" instead of, you know, an actual musical release. Instead the song just dicks you around for a long time, chopping up vocals and repeating sections but never really congealing into a solid idea
sorry if im overwriting this but im genuinely having trouble understanding it at a, like, primal level, not the cerebral/removed/lol old one.
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link
this track you linked is still better than 90% of the stuff on orko's podcast IMO
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link
should read
"and it seems like when its dance music i like, that tension and your patience is rewarded"
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:50 (fifteen years ago) link
ha its kinda growing on me to be honest u_u -- but it still seems sort of randomly structured, like i want to open it in audacity and do a bunch of C+Ping
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link
like i want to open it in audacity and do a bunch of C+Ping
i hate to validate disco nihilist / tombot style grousing about production technology but i am sort of coming around to their take on software vs hardware
why bother concentrating on programming rhythm when you can just take an mp3s and chop them to bits on your laptop? then it just becomes a matter of showing off your taste in your "productions" rather than, i dunno, musicality or something. no surprise then, that this music is like the domain of blogger dudes who check turntablelab every day?
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link
looking forward to when pipecock rejoins us lol
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link
looking forward to getting a killfile working
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link
millsian techno dudes : "i can tweak a kick drum better than the next guy"
blog house dudes: "i have more regional rap / third world dance music mp3s than the next guy"
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link
moonship whats some populist dance music you dig this yearinterpret populist however you want. but by dance music i mean, like, dance music
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link
"watch my feet"
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:00 (fifteen years ago) link
"cha cha slide"
fuck, those are from last year
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:01 (fifteen years ago) link
"township funk"
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:03 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Township-Funk/dp/B001EIKLCO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1229054661&sr=8-1
this?^^^^
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 04:06 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, that's probably my track of the year (it's my ringtone, anyway)
seriously, though, it's been a pretty bad year for dance music. if you look at say, the BBC's essential mix, a lot of the mixes are repeats of "classic" mixes from the 90s or early 00s. and then if you take out the 1/3 of them that are same-old same-old trance or progressive house the remaining mixes are something like 50% old tracks. you look at someone like, i dunno, simian mobile disco or crookers or riton or whatever other hot new producer and it's sort of stunning how they lean on old classic house, acid or techno.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i guess that explains why i've spent the year either listening non-populist stuff like space disco or balearic revival or edits, and blatantly non-dance music like dub techno and the dubby end of dubstep. and tons of old, old, old music.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:14 (fifteen years ago) link
2008 = Even that crazy new experimental shit was too conservative.
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 04:15 (fifteen years ago) link
My theory is that 2008 breaks down like this:
1) Too much of what is good and popular is not populist (nu-deep-minimal; space disco/balearic for the most part; upmarket dubstep)2) Too much of what is good and populist is not popular (UK funky house)3) Too much of what is popular and populist is not good (blog-house/frankendance; downmarket dubstep)
― Tim F, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd probably be more into funky and bassline if i could actually HEAR any of it. i'm just too old and busy (and married) to spend all night downloading mp3s.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
tim you need to send me some CDs again!
Tracks that give me some hope for some interesting things in the future.
Hrdvsion - Playing For Keeps (Daddy's Angel)
Proof that obnoxious noise sometimes can bring the funk.
Boys Noize - Shine Shine (Apparat Remix)
Proof that all this indie electro isn't universally underproduced.
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 04:22 (fifteen years ago) link
And even though its just electrohouse ZZT's The Worm (Erol Alkan edit) just fucking rules.
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 04:33 (fifteen years ago) link
do people still make electrohouse?
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Tiga and Zombie Nation do apparently, it definitely splits the difference between 2004 and 2008 though.
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 04:46 (fifteen years ago) link
3. don't see the appeal of this. there's gotta be much better baltimore club music than blaqstarr. why is he so popular?
dude is a genius and changed the game in so many ways, but yeah he's not very representative or the best per se, and "Bang" is not really a club song and also one of his worst songs.
― Anne Dwutt (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 04:57 (fifteen years ago) link
what are the good songs
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Tote It, Get My Gun, Hands Up Thumbs Down, Ryda Gyrl, Slyde, Supastarr, In The Air, Stop, Check Me Out Like, Crazy Leg Wit It, Rockstarrz, Automatic Lover, Put Ya Gun In Da Air, Get Your Hands Up
― Anne Dwutt (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link
and how did he change the game
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 12 December 2008 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link
mostly in the vocals (creepy falsetto leads and super-layered wordless chants) but also the way he used drums (really innovated as far as Baltimore club with all kicks and hi-hats, no snares or breakbeats) and synths, he basically flipped the scene on its ear around '05-'06.
― Anne Dwutt (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 05:54 (fifteen years ago) link
"tim you need to send me some CDs again!"
Okay! Will try to make actual delivery more prompt than last time.
― Tim F, Friday, 12 December 2008 07:13 (fifteen years ago) link
hay ill take cds from tim but feel free to send them in sendshare form
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 08:04 (fifteen years ago) link
And this is what I ride for.
http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1618&Itemid=28
1. Karizma - Broken Beats2. Rapid - Report To The Dancefloor3. DJ Mystery - Changes4. Lil Silva - Funky Flex5. Conan Liquid - One Time (For Your Mind)6. Geeneus - Yellowtail7. D1 - Ongie Bongie8. D Malice - Monopoly9. L-Vis & Bok Bok - Bongo Jam Refix10. Crazy Cousinz - Infiltration11. L-Vis 1990 - Flux12. Rod Lee - Let The Horns Go13. Moves!! - All Skate14. Silverlink - The Message Is Love (L-Vis 1990 Dub)15. DJ Zinc - Ghosttrain16. Bok Bok - No Need To Front 200917. Ikonika - Please18. Kode 9 vs LD - Bad19. Hunger Pains - In Middle (DJ Slugo Remix)20. Drop The Lime - Hear Me (Buraka Som Sistema Remix)21. L-Vis 1990 - The Night Slug
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
D1 had a joint i loved earlier this year -- lemme see if i can find it
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link
there it go
havent checked yr mix yet but this D1
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
...oops
this D1 is not frankendance
btw DJ Slugo is 'real schitt' club music here in chicago -- real well known dude who plays 'actual' juke shit -- i guess sorta like rod lee?
― ohhhh we pop champagne (deej), Friday, 12 December 2008 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
i dunno that mix looks kinda interesting just from the tracklist dude -- but including funky house even suggests this isnt typical frankendance stuff
Well Bok Bok has got no use for fidget.
But its kind of the vibe that I find exceptable, mostly purist with a smattering of awareness of other genres thrown in. I just don't live in London or Chicago or Baltimore so I'm not quite sure how to approach it myslef.
― DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Friday, 12 December 2008 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link