should i give the grateful dead a chance?

i mean, i think its kinda cool that there is a cake cult! who would have guessed?

like all the people on ilm who love spoon. the cult of spoon!

Clutch are good on my Ipod at the gym. Some of their songs are serious workout enhancers. 1000111011 or whatever the fuck its called came up on shuffle today and helped out big.

i guess what i'm really trying to say above is that i respect fandom. even if its not something i myself like. i just like when people geek out about their favorite stuff. and i try hard not to tag fans of any band as lame or dumb or whatever. except phish fans of course...yuck. hahaha, just kidding. sorta.

and tool fans obviously.

they tag themselves anyway when they buy the t-shirts. (that's probably an old onion joke. can't remember.)

I agree. I'm pretty passionate about the bands I love, as well as my sports teams, so there is no reason I should judge anybody else if they are the same way, albeit with bands (or teams) I can't stand. Most of my friends are huge U2 fans, who I can't stand. We're still friends. They know I'm not a devil worshipper based on the bands I like.

Box of rain is a righteous tune, just dialed it up.

That's my favorite Dead song, hands down!

Lesh truly can't sing but he's perfect for that song. Its hard to explain, but its an emotionally moving performance. I love it.

It's about his dad dying, I think.

Also: last song Jerry ever played iirc

Youre right on the first one, Drugs, not sure about the second one, though it may be right.

found the keith & donna album from 1975 for a dollar today. not bad!

Lesh sounds good on "Box". he sounds TERRIBLE on live stuff i've heard from post-AB. didn't he have some vocal cord issues? or something?

I love about 5 classic Bobby tunes unequivocally, but most of my dead exposure these days comes from the XM/ Sirius channel when I'm driving a rental for work (which happens a lot these days) and it's gotten to where I have a hard time not flipping the dial when a Weir song comes on.

AB is amazing cause all the singers sound good on it. magic in the studio i guess, cause otherwise garcia is the only vocalist i like.

^otm. i think the same thing about workingman's, too

i dunno about studio magic so much as 'anyone can lay down a good vocal take if they have a couple weeks'. i mean, they don't sound like good singers, just ... not egregiously bad ones? i mean, i enjoy their bad singing + think it fits an aesthetic -- but one of the dick's pickses ends with a version of 'goodnight' which is so wonky i find it hard not to laugh. not laugh in a mean way, but laugh, still.

I wonder if their dodgy live vocals have anything to do with their monitoring situation. They were doing weird stuff with the monitors all behind them and double mics out of phase to cancel out any feedback, etc. But I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't really hear themselves properly. Also drugs.

This just occured to me, but for people who have rejected the Dead for their dodgy, hit-or-miss live performances, browsing the internet archive's selection of Phil & Friends shows. I used to listen to these a ton and they were shit-hot.

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=%28collection%3APhilLeshandFriends%20OR%20mediatype%3APhilLeshandFriends%29%20AND%20-mediatype%3Acollection&sort=-avg_rating%3B-num_reviews

OK, after decades of dismissing them, I finally gave Live/Dead a spin. I kind of dig it. There are moments that conform to my long-held image of the Dead (basically, an aesthetic based around the idea that effort is for squares, man), but those are shockingly few and far between. And "Feedback" is a revelation. What other Dead records are like this?

Check out Two From the Vault.

Will do, thanks.

Live/Dead is great!

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/g/grateful-dead/album-dicks-picks-vol-22-lake-tahoe-ca-223-2468.jpg

Live/Dead is great!

― Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Yeah, I'm surprised at how much I'm digging it. I mean, it sounds like the Dead, but they seem to be actively engaged in what they're doing in a way I haven't heard...but then, all I've really heard are the singles and snippets of uber-desultory live recordings from the late 70s on.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac156/tparks9243/GratefulDead-DicksPicks-Vol4-Fillmo.jpg

tarfumes, forgot to mention it, but you should maybe give mickey hart's rolling thunder album a listen. i dig it. kinda fucked-up mishmash of stuff and part of me sorta wishes the dead had made a couple more fucked up mishmash albums and just let the tapes roll. it works for them! plus, it rocks! "young man" is the jam.

Cool, thanks! Will check out. Right now I'm really digging the surprisingly garagey DP #22. And Europe '72 is growing on me. I don't care that the vocals were overdubbed after the fact; based on what I've heard/read, I think I prefer it that way.

Basically, I'm kicking myself for not getting into them sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JccVYeFz1Bc

http://www.lefthandbrewing.com/blog/shop/images/1636/Dark-Star-and-Cold-Brews-Logo-for-Online-Shop.jpg/
i think this is where i'm going to be on friday! DEAD SUMMER. Colorado is on fiiiiiiire wooo.

I assumed this must have been revived because of the Dawn Of the Dead dvd coming out recently. Found that to be an interesting couple of hours.
Do love the Dead in their early mid flight transcendence. Still mainly into about 67-74 though there are a few other bits and pieces over the next 6 years worth checking.
Think I especially love May '70 and August '68 both months seem to contain several truly great sets.
& there's a date in the Ark in early '69 that seemed to shine throughout. is it 24/1?

http://www.gdao.org/

Testimony of a Deadhead, folded into a first-rate map of the long strange road trip, wake of the flood, and on up to now, man. Like the music, it keeps finding its way back to worthy themes, which flex, morph, but/and can be grooved with:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten

Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

discussion here^

No you know what fuck this band. Even the studio version of St. Stephen sucks -- they sound like drunk kids jamming in my basement. Great tune but they can't even pull off one solid take of it, and every live version of it is awful.

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/grateful-dead-nba-shirts.jpg?w=610&h=339

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/heat-lakers-grateful-dead-n.jpg?w=611&h=282

who cares they're some people who make (made?) music

Studio version of St. Stephen is a tour de force.

See, it's almost a tour de force, and it should be a tour de force, but there's still something weak about the groove, all these spots where instruments get a little off from each other, jerry playing subtly bad notes, like I just can't accept this is the best take they could ever get.

But it's the best take they needed to get, and what they needed ≠ what you need, and that's okayyyy, maaaaan.

It's an awesome take. If you're talking about the intro or the "ladyfingers" section, I mean, they're played with rubato.

i love the live dead version. its on live dead, right? that's the first version i knew cuz it was on the what a long strange trip comp and that was the first dead album i ever bought.

It's really a radical song. Redefines what a rock band does.

yah timellison otm, St. Stephen rules

Just picked up Workingman's Dead and the original/first mix of Aoxomoxoa. Man. Sounding pretty fucking great tonight.

Watched 'Sunshine Daydream' last week (show in Oregon from '72). Great stuff. Wish it were longer. Lots of audience nudity, though.

You guys are forgetting Shakedown Street. The title song, fire on the mountain and good lovin are excellent.

When they were making ABeauty, here was Phil Lesh's idea for the album: record the Mojave Desert air for 30 minutes, then record the Fisherman's Wharf in SanFran (I think) for 30 minutes. And that would've been the album. Lesh was non-plussed when the execs didn't go for it.

― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, August 2, 2005 3:22 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought that was Weir with Anthem of The Sun
& why Dave Hassinger walked away from producing the lp.

ii. can anyone recommend a live thing post gaining godchaux where you can really HEAR godchaux? he seems to make so little difference to what they're doing in the jams, whereas on the records he's a massive component of the sound

― thomp, Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:39 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If anybody is looking for an answer to this now, there is plenty of Keith Godchaux audible on the Sunshine Daydream official release. One thing that stood out to me on listening to the set.