Tyler did you get that record store day link floyd thing?
― O da Huge Manatee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
what a petulant douche
I'm only a moderate Wilco fan--a huge fan of two or three songs--but I love that Tweedy quote. If you're going to take on people who hate your work (and preemptively, at that), you have to go about it with a bit of style and humour or, agreed, you come off as petulant. Lou Reed's Christgau line would be one example of how to do it right, and Tweedy's quote for me is another--the throwaway "meh" is perfect.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
xpost That's a weird definition of style & humor.
― We make bouquets that fade immediately. (Turangalila), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
But "meh"--as Homer Simpson says, it's funny because it's true.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
it's always the critical darlings that are the most remarkably thin-skinned and paranoid about their detractors
― some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic
― iatee, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:24 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.
― congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't say you can make any generalizations about that. Some of them, yes; others, especially after they've been around for a while, seem completely removed from whatever's written about them. Anyway, I skimmed the Spin piece, and you guys are making a big deal out of one line. It's not like he started railing against critics or anything.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well, of course there are going to be people downloading any record that comes out and saying negative things about it on the internet. that's every record. but a new Wilco album, more than most other albums, stands a good chance of a top 5 chart debut and a 4 star review from Rolling Stone. successful people whining about what the "haters" will say about something that isn't even out yet is pretty paranoid imo.
― some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
"whining"
― markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
The finished album may be one of the group's most adventurous yet. "I do think it's a little bit more obnoxious and irreverent of a pop record than people have heard from us, maybe, ever," he says. "And that's exciting. But I have no doubt that the second this record becomes available there's somebody sitting in a basement at their computer with the word 'meh' already typed up, waiting to post a review."
― markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
If it were actual whining, I'd agree with you; Tweedy's comment seems much more playful to me, like he just said it because he wanted to make fun of the word "meh."
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah what's going on in this thread is closer to 'whining' than what he actually said
― iatee, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
get well soon everybody
― markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Considering the first few responses in this thread were kind of in that dismissive vein, I think Tweedy makes a valid point.
― Binjominia, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
ok not whining per se, but it's definitely preemptive snark. like, everyone says they're excited about the new album they're working on and that they hope people will love it, of course they know not everyone will but what's even the point of going "oh some loser already decided to pan the record before he's heard it"
― some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
I think we should get Tweedy to post on ILM. We could talk about Wilco; maybe he'll poll their oeuvre; but I bet he has a killer archive of Floyd bootlegs & it would be cool to get access to that.
― Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
also butthurt is kinda Tweedy's thing, like going back to Uncle Tupelo days ("Watch Me Fall", "We've Been Had") & continues into Wilco days.
― Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1809188793
― buzza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Their previous album should have been titled "Meh"
― Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
Wilco (Meh Album)
― some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Being Butthurt
― markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Wilco (The Album) was my favorite Wilco release in many years, so meh to you. xps
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
I was referring to his use of the by now cliched designation of critics as guys in basements.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://westkanye.info/obrazki/mixtape/GetWellSoon.jpg
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
Does Kanye ever wear skinny jeans?
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really ever feel like listening to a who;e Wilco album but I like a bunch of individual tracks
" experimental-leaning rock and "cinematic-sounding country music…you know, folk music. "^sounds good to me
"jesus etc." is chamber folk and if that is what they're going for then good for them. i'd tell them to lean in towards chamber stuff and lean away from country stuff though
― poplocking nazis from space (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
Man, Jesus etc. is so good.
― She Got the Shakes, Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ my favorite Wilco song.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
The fact that Jay Bennett is no longer alive continues to bother me. It would have nice to think that one day they could eventually work together again - Jay said as much himself.
― Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 23 April 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
that pic is from like 10 years ago before skinny jeans really existed in rap
― some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
haha -- I was musing aloud.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
(it had nothing to do with the pic)
I can't wait to completely ignore this album
― calstars, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait to read 1000 posts about this album but never listen to it
― wewetyourpants.com (rip van wanko), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait to ask markers if there's any songs with prominent Nels Cline bits I should check out
― some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
i can't wait to read 1000 posts about this album by people who never listen to it.
― the felonious against the corrective (Hunt3r), Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
there was a pink floyd record store day thing?
― tylerw, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait to read 1000 posts on this thread before anybody's heard the album!
― some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait to visit those busy basements!
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
Has there ever been much excitement about a new Wilco album on ILM before? Unless we go ~m~e~t~a~ I don't see it happening for this one (unless maybe they cover "Wish You Were Here")
― Euler, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
tyler - the RSD Floyd thing was the 1966/67 live thing on vinyl. I don't think Floyd has any control over those couple of recordings.
back on topic: I'll be excited if this sounds builds on the sound of Summer Teeth. If it sounds like anything they've made in the past decade I don't care.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
unless the new wilco is an album of grateful dead covers i ain't listening.
― scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
It's a Phish tribute in your honor.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 April 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:53
ask me again when the record comes out and i'll let you know!
― markers, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
this might be interesting, Nels-wise:
Tweedy is being modest. One new song, "Art of Almost," has an experimental feel, like 2009's "Bull Black Nova" and 2004's "Spiders (Kidsmoke)." It's a seven-minute, two-parter that starts as a free-form jam, punctuated with burbling synths, mellotrons, and tribal drums. It swells into a punk-ish coda, with virtuosic, fuzzed-out guitar shredding courtesy of Cline, the band's secret weapon. Tweedy says the inspiration for the track came from Neil Young. "It's a sort of atmospheric song you might hear on Tonight's the Night," he says. "I don't know what happened to that song, to be honest. It just sort of morphed over time into something that's a lot more interesting to us now."
― markers, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
That right there takes away what little interest I had.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
the only wilko i will ever need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViBFgjChH0
― scott seward, Sunday, 24 April 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder how anyone can call this soft rock. The guitar playing is more scuzzed and abrasive than the band has been in years, and while the rhythm section is similarly more slick, I don't see how anyone can listen to Kotche/Stirratt and not be impressed.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
I noticed some very talented playing but nothing grooved with me. "Soft rock" wasn't meant to be a bad thing. Some tracks weren't soft rock in a traditional sense but they still made me sleepy.
― ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
last track is quite good, but also too repetitive.
― nostormo, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
just listened to this for the first time. i really liked it, seemed much better than their last album. i love Sky Blue Sky so it has a ways to go to be better than that for me.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
The autopilot of W(TA) really lowered the bar to ankle level, so new one's a huge relief.
― Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
Saw them in Nashville for work. Very different sets each night, but Art of Almost and One Sunday Morning both nights, both sounding great. And I'm not really a big guitar solo guy but Nels Cline's solo during Impossible Germany was ridiculous. This line-up is so tight now.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
Heard "I Might" on the radio yesterday--excellent. The backing track has such an unusual '60s feel.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Finally bought this today after much dithering - really adore the opening track, predictably, but wish the stuff in the middle, as elegant and well played and composed as it is, was a bit more akin to it. The songwriting of the middl stretch is growing on me, though.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/885f0d8037a935c26de5e192763b7d5e/La-Russa.jpg
Jeff Tweedy retired today!
― Euler, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
and i know that i won't be the last, cold captain tied to the mast
― markers, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
Saw most of the minor league park set last night. I suspect I'm in the minority, but I really wish Nels would just sit a couple of songs out. Or that someone would tell him that it's OK no to constantly noodle-noodle over everything.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't seen them recently, but I think I'm pretty much ready to vehemently disagree with you there.
How was that for a venue? It seemed like a fun show idea.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
It was OK. Ticket window seemed a bit overwhelmed, and traffic was predictably slow getting in, but the vibe was nice even if the band's bro contingent was in beyond full effect. Posters sucked, surprisingly.
I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
They can do better than this:
http://c961031.r31.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/07.08.12-Geneva-Nate-Duval-350x466.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
Yes they can, decent idea with horrible execution. Heh, I love "Impossible Germany" and his tone.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
does tweedy play much lead these days? i kinda dug it when he started stretching out on guitar in the pre-Nels days.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
lol that's prob my favorite Wilco song
― Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
It might be my favorite Wilco song ... title.
Not a lot of Jeff skronk, though I dig it when he does.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
this album is really good, which is surprising as ive never really liked any of their post-YHF stuff which i found boring and meandering. this is the wilco sound i missed listening to.
― Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 16 March 2013 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
It's because they started doing power pop again. They were good at that. Wish they would do more of it
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Saturday, 16 March 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
I wish they will do more of One Sunday Morning.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
^^^this
― c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le beurre (imago), Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
i wish Jim O'rourke will rejoin them
― nostormo, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
This is their best album since YHF.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 16 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
It's because they started doing power pop again
its not just power pop though, the mellow songs really hit the spot. "whole love" and "one sunday morning" make a great ending to the album.
― Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
if someone told me this was their favorite wilco record i'd be like yeah that's legit
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:36 (two years ago) link
the title track is SO good
it's my favorite post-YHF one at least
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
Not my favourite Wilco record, but the bookends are probably my two favourite Wilco songs. I don't think they could ever top One Sunday Morning
― imago, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
They're the well-publicised tracks though. I wonder how the tracks in between hold up
― imago, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link
the bookend epics are fantastic yeah, some of their very best. the rest is a step in the right direction generally - it's nice to hear them in a more power-pop mood again - but a bit inconsistent.
just realised what "born alone" reminds me of is the horse race music from ocarina of time of all things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am6FTMRa_M4
― ufo, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:47 (two years ago) link
my second favorite wilco album. besides the consensus highlights, i've always really liked "black moon." eerie david crosby-esque mood on that one. really good.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 22:57 (two years ago) link
This is probably my favorite album from their current/latter day line-up. It really feels underrated. I already said this in another thread, but xxxp "One Sunday Morning" is indeed amazing, and the more I think about it, the more impressive it seems: a low-key song (not a jam or improvisation) that goes on for twelve minutes. It has ONE real hook, a very simple and modest melody, and yet it's more than enough to carry the whole thing.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 00:39 (two years ago) link
Still can't remember how the four gentle songs that appear every other song in the middle go, despite being at a show where a fight broke out during Red Rising Lung
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 01:26 (two years ago) link
DAD FIGHT!
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 01:35 (two years ago) link