Wilco - The Whole Love

^^ love this

ha
been on a little tupelo kick lately, so that'll probably lead into a wilco kick. even though wilco (the album) was prob my least favorite of theirs, still excited to hear the new stuff!

I haven't fucked w/ wilco in a long minute but I think this is an awesome title

I like Wilco, used to love them & then kinda lost track after A Ghost Is Born (was annoyed about the rehab thing b/c I was excited to see them at Coachella that year & alas they couldn't make it). I've listened to the live album once & the next album a couple of times, but not the latest one yet (b/c the reviews were bleh & time is always short/demands more Pink Floyd bootlegs/etc.). I'm tentatively excited about a new one I guess! as one ought to be for a former favorite band.

it's always tough when you're faced with the decision between "new album by whoever" vs. pink floyd bootlegs. even if you pick that new album, in your heart of hearts you're still thinking about that floyd bootleg.

Live at Paris Cinema, London, 30-09-1971 is really hot! "Fat Old Sun"! give me one like that, Jeff Tweedy, & we'll talk again.

Oh, if only we had a thread about Floyd boots.

Tyler did you get that record store day link floyd thing?

what a petulant douche

I'm only a moderate Wilco fan--a huge fan of two or three songs--but I love that Tweedy quote. If you're going to take on people who hate your work (and preemptively, at that), you have to go about it with a bit of style and humour or, agreed, you come off as petulant. Lou Reed's Christgau line would be one example of how to do it right, and Tweedy's quote for me is another--the throwaway "meh" is perfect.

This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."

xpost That's a weird definition of style & humor.

But "meh"--as Homer Simpson says, it's funny because it's true.

it's always the critical darlings that are the most remarkably thin-skinned and paranoid about their detractors

that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic

This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."

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this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.

I wouldn't say you can make any generalizations about that. Some of them, yes; others, especially after they've been around for a while, seem completely removed from whatever's written about them. Anyway, I skimmed the Spin piece, and you guys are making a big deal out of one line. It's not like he started railing against critics or anything.

that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic

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well, of course there are going to be people downloading any record that comes out and saying negative things about it on the internet. that's every record. but a new Wilco album, more than most other albums, stands a good chance of a top 5 chart debut and a 4 star review from Rolling Stone. successful people whining about what the "haters" will say about something that isn't even out yet is pretty paranoid imo.

"whining"

The finished album may be one of the group's most adventurous yet. "I do think it's a little bit more obnoxious and irreverent of a pop record than people have heard from us, maybe, ever," he says. "And that's exciting. But I have no doubt that the second this record becomes available there's somebody sitting in a basement at their computer with the word 'meh' already typed up, waiting to post a review."

If it were actual whining, I'd agree with you; Tweedy's comment seems much more playful to me, like he just said it because he wanted to make fun of the word "meh."

yeah what's going on in this thread is closer to 'whining' than what he actually said

get well soon everybody

Considering the first few responses in this thread were kind of in that dismissive vein, I think Tweedy makes a valid point.

ok not whining per se, but it's definitely preemptive snark. like, everyone says they're excited about the new album they're working on and that they hope people will love it, of course they know not everyone will but what's even the point of going "oh some loser already decided to pan the record before he's heard it"

I think we should get Tweedy to post on ILM. We could talk about Wilco; maybe he'll poll their oeuvre; but I bet he has a killer archive of Floyd bootlegs & it would be cool to get access to that.

also butthurt is kinda Tweedy's thing, like going back to Uncle Tupelo days ("Watch Me Fall", "We've Been Had") & continues into Wilco days.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1809188793

lol

Their previous album should have been titled "Meh"

Wilco (Meh Album)

Being Butthurt

Wilco (The Album) was my favorite Wilco release in many years, so meh to you. xps

this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.

I was referring to his use of the by now cliched designation of critics as guys in basements.

http://westkanye.info/obrazki/mixtape/GetWellSoon.jpg

Does Kanye ever wear skinny jeans?

I don't really ever feel like listening to a who;e Wilco album but I like a bunch of individual tracks

" experimental-leaning rock and "cinematic-sounding country music…you know, folk music. "
^sounds good to me

"jesus etc." is chamber folk and if that is what they're going for then good for them. i'd tell them to lean in towards chamber stuff and lean away from country stuff though

Man, Jesus etc. is so good.

^^^ my favorite Wilco song.

The fact that Jay Bennett is no longer alive continues to bother me. It would have nice to think that one day they could eventually work together again - Jay said as much himself.

that pic is from like 10 years ago before skinny jeans really existed in rap

haha -- I was musing aloud.

(it had nothing to do with the pic)

I can't wait to completely ignore this album

I can't wait to read 1000 posts about this album but never listen to it

I can't wait to ask markers if there's any songs with prominent Nels Cline bits I should check out

i can't wait to read 1000 posts about this album by people who never listen to it.

there was a pink floyd record store day thing?

I can't wait to read 1000 posts on this thread before anybody's heard the album!

I can't wait to visit those busy basements!

Has there ever been much excitement about a new Wilco album on ILM before? Unless we go ~m~e~t~a~ I don't see it happening for this one (unless maybe they cover "Wish You Were Here")

This album is bookended by two of their best ever songs imo. So much so that so far it's hard to get past them and listen properly to the rest.

Funny that they recently covered Nick Lowe, because some of the poppier stuff in the middle reminded me a bit of him. But the skronky guitar reminds me a lot of the Pixies.

I finished listening to this for the first time (I'm not a big Wilco fan but I like a few of their songs)

I'm going to say Dud - I could barely keep my ears open. But I can easily picture a bunch of Kaputt fans loving this

hmm, how is kaputt similar to this?

musical scale/note selection. less than inspiring vocals. soft rock opus type stuff

nah.

first track and last track are cool, don't know about much in between.

This.

I wonder how anyone can call this soft rock. The guitar playing is more scuzzed and abrasive than the band has been in years, and while the rhythm section is similarly more slick, I don't see how anyone can listen to Kotche/Stirratt and not be impressed.

I noticed some very talented playing but nothing grooved with me. "Soft rock" wasn't meant to be a bad thing. Some tracks weren't soft rock in a traditional sense but they still made me sleepy.

last track is quite good, but also too repetitive.

just listened to this for the first time. i really liked it, seemed much better than their last album. i love Sky Blue Sky so it has a ways to go to be better than that for me.

The autopilot of W(TA) really lowered the bar to ankle level, so new one's a huge relief.

Saw them in Nashville for work. Very different sets each night, but Art of Almost and One Sunday Morning both nights, both sounding great. And I'm not really a big guitar solo guy but Nels Cline's solo during Impossible Germany was ridiculous. This line-up is so tight now.

Heard "I Might" on the radio yesterday--excellent. The backing track has such an unusual '60s feel.

Finally bought this today after much dithering - really adore the opening track, predictably, but wish the stuff in the middle, as elegant and well played and composed as it is, was a bit more akin to it. The songwriting of the middl stretch is growing on me, though.

http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/885f0d8037a935c26de5e192763b7d5e/La-Russa.jpg

Jeff Tweedy retired today!

and i know that i won't be the last, cold captain tied to the mast

Saw most of the minor league park set last night. I suspect I'm in the minority, but I really wish Nels would just sit a couple of songs out. Or that someone would tell him that it's OK no to constantly noodle-noodle over everything.

Haven't seen them recently, but I think I'm pretty much ready to vehemently disagree with you there.

How was that for a venue? It seemed like a fun show idea.

It was OK. Ticket window seemed a bit overwhelmed, and traffic was predictably slow getting in, but the vibe was nice even if the band's bro contingent was in beyond full effect. Posters sucked, surprisingly.

I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...

They can do better than this:

http://c961031.r31.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/07.08.12-Geneva-Nate-Duval-350x466.jpg

Yes they can, decent idea with horrible execution. Heh, I love "Impossible Germany" and his tone.

does tweedy play much lead these days? i kinda dug it when he started stretching out on guitar in the pre-Nels days.

I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...

lol that's prob my favorite Wilco song

It might be my favorite Wilco song ... title.

Not a lot of Jeff skronk, though I dig it when he does.

this album is really good, which is surprising as ive never really liked any of their post-YHF stuff which i found boring and meandering. this is the wilco sound i missed listening to.

It's because they started doing power pop again. They were good at that. Wish they would do more of it

I wish they will do more of One Sunday Morning.

^^^this

i wish Jim O'rourke will rejoin them

This is their best album since YHF.

It's because they started doing power pop again

its not just power pop though, the mellow songs really hit the spot. "whole love" and "one sunday morning" make a great ending to the album.

if someone told me this was their favorite wilco record i'd be like yeah that's legit

the title track is SO good

it's my favorite post-YHF one at least

Not my favourite Wilco record, but the bookends are probably my two favourite Wilco songs. I don't think they could ever top One Sunday Morning

They're the well-publicised tracks though. I wonder how the tracks in between hold up

the bookend epics are fantastic yeah, some of their very best. the rest is a step in the right direction generally - it's nice to hear them in a more power-pop mood again - but a bit inconsistent.

just realised what "born alone" reminds me of is the horse race music from ocarina of time of all things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am6FTMRa_M4

my second favorite wilco album. besides the consensus highlights, i've always really liked "black moon." eerie david crosby-esque mood on that one. really good.

This is probably my favorite album from their current/latter day line-up. It really feels underrated. I already said this in another thread, but xxxp "One Sunday Morning" is indeed amazing, and the more I think about it, the more impressive it seems: a low-key song (not a jam or improvisation) that goes on for twelve minutes. It has ONE real hook, a very simple and modest melody, and yet it's more than enough to carry the whole thing.

Still can't remember how the four gentle songs that appear every other song in the middle go, despite being at a show where a fight broke out during Red Rising Lung

DAD FIGHT!