should i give the grateful dead a chance?

Didn't know that. I assumed he was only into weed & acid. In fact, at the time, I didn't know much about the Dead or drugs of any kind, but I thought, "He almost died? But I thought he didn't touch the hard stuff!"

The Kind Buds

lolz

That festival is like a shitty band name convention.

drivin' that train, high on cocaine

i assume there are two bands to a line there? might be cooler if The Change Up Gravity Works was an actual band name

The Kind Buds

lolz

I have met this band. Northampton, MA. One of my favorite music biz interactions ever w/their manager/merch person/wife for all I know. Me: "Are you with the Kind Buds?" Mgr: "Yeah!" Me: "Cool, what do yall play?" Mgr: "They jam on two Taylors!"

haha

http://www.npr.org/programs/lnfsound/images/990430.taylor.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0kWH4CzPU-6Eiud-MOfC-bFiZ2_RiS43xLAJrK2vUgTC8j_WdGw

You'd think, but hippies love them some cocaine, including one Mr. Jerry Garcia.

Scott, reasons not to go:

http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/passed%20out%20wookie-thumb.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Td2w2o9gZI/SJIy0M8PujI/AAAAAAAABtA/f_sZFV6MBrg/s400/rage.jpg

http://photos7.flickr.com/6803656_d485ea1537.jpg

http://tinyrager.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dsc07749.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v310/236/26/19228353/n19228353_36474305_7520.jpg

http://image22.webshots.com/22/1/18/43/369411843jQVRbU_ph.jpg

http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/high-on-the-street.jpg

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lindsay-lohan-passed-out.jpg

People sleeping everywhere! And so many balloons! MY GOD!!!!

Those aren't just baloons:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-07-06/music/hippie-crack-nitrous-mafia-boston/

And I've done my share of nitrious when I was a wee one, the nitrious mafia at shows are total thugs and bad news.

i smell a new screen name

to be fair though, they are a really giggly mafia. they are cracking up the whole time they are killing you.

that article is pure gold

Man, I got out of the northeast to avoid stuff like the festival in Scott's town, as well as the lingering experience of going to all kinds of shows in college.

The weirdest thing about seeing Pavement in Central Park for me was leaving the show and finding myself suddenly surrounded by people selling, and doing, nitrous all over the place. I was just like "Really?????". You know, 30-40 year old straight-looking folks hanging out in a public place and getting obnoxiously goofy. Nitrous is just wrong, to me. I have seen people do some just awful shit after sucking down a nitrous balloon (like falling flat on their face and chipping both front teeth, turning blue in the face for a minute, losing body control and collapsing in a muddy puddle, etc. etc.) Depressing as fuck.

"They jam on two Taylors!"

just listened to a couple songs on youtube and it's just as bad as that description hints

Bud & Budd
http://www.thekindbuds.com/images/biggerlogo.jpg

I don't know...I know lots of ppl who've done whipits; always seemed harmless to me, but I suppose nitrous could do some bad stuff... (xp to grandavis)

I will say that I do hate crack, and knew way too many ppl who got all fucked up on it

okay i will take a cue from mr. aerosmith and say that i didn't mean to turn this thread into shooting phish in a jam band barrel. it's too easy. sorry. funny! but too easy.

No more from me either. The Dead deserve better.

More my fault, Scott, sorry as well.

Yes, everyone should give the Dead a chance.

And now, a day late:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQe4XVrJFGQ

Lots of nitrous at Philadelphia Eagles pre-game tailgates. Every fourth or fifth car has a tank.

as mentioned upthread, Mr Veg worked for Bill Graham in mid-late 80s...he worked pretty much every SF Dead show plus Electric on the Eel and all those hippy shows. And the 85 summer tour - Oakland, Berkeley, the whole Bay. The stories are 0_o ...and he still has all those laminates so you can kind of see the horror :) Smacked out hangers-on backstage and everyone is a "friend of Jerry's", Deadheads blacking out in the parking lot from too much nitrous and flopping all over the place, kids selling bunches of sage, stoned Deadheads raiding the hot dog/nacho condiments for "deadhead salad" ...and all the weird medical emergencies from bad trips, od's and dehydration..and 20 shows like that in a month...I cant even imagine.

Nitrous is "okay" in small doses if you a) limit the amount you do or b) do it with someone who can stop you going too far. Fuckwits with giant balloons or a tank all to themselves are just asking for trouble.

"I can't stand it backstage. Too many geeks."--Jerry Garcia

back on track:

the seastones thing linked upthread is pretty out there stuff!

Not that anyone cares, but my five favorite Dead songs:

Ramble on Rose
Brown Eyed Women
He's Gone
Brokedown Palace
Standing on the Moon

Yeah, I really like the batch of originals on Europe '72.

Those are great ones.

yeah those are some of my faves on that album. albums. great music.

One thing about Garcia is that he played slow better than anyone, like his cover of Dylan's "Senor," "Stella Blue," "Row Jimmy," "Must Have Been the Roses." And the aforementioned "Standing on the Moon," one of their last, great songs. Lovely lyric too ("I hear the cries of children") aside.

ooh i'd like to hear them do senor, that's one of my fav dylan songs

Garcia Band did a great, creepy version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTjjd4OZIz0

garcia was great covering dylan. his version of "it's all over now baby blue" is fab. almost as good as 13th floor elevator's. almost.

feel like there was some rumor that dylan was supposed to record an album w/ the dead as his backing band in the early 70s, but it never happened obviously. would've been better than "dylan & the dead," that's for sure!

One thing about Garcia is that he played slow better than anyone

This is so key and OTM. That Dylan and the Dead album still pisses me off which such squandered opportunity, considering some of the great performances that are out there. Lately I've been spending a lot of time with the Soldier Field version of "So Many Roads" which, surprisingly, is a real gem among the end-era stuff.

That was discussed at one point. Dylan loved Garcia and vice-versa, they drew from the same sources, though the story goes that Dylan started using heroin again with Garcia, for the first time since the '60s, while on the Dylan-Dead tour, one of those reasons why that tour sucked so bad. And according to the book "Dark Star" Dylan was visibly despondant at Garcia's funeral and looked like he'd been weeping a lot.

“There’s no way to measure his greatness or magnitude as a person or a player. I don’t think any eulogizing will do him justice. He was that great, much more than a superb musician, with an uncanny ear and dexterity. He’s the very spirit personified of whatever is Muddy River country at its core and screams up into the spheres. He really had no equal. To me, he wasn’t only a musician and friend, he was more like a big brother who taught and showed me more than he’ll ever know. There’s a lot of spaces and advances between The Carter Family, Buddy Holly and say Ornette Coleman, a lot of universes, but he filled them all without being a member of any school. His playing was moody, awesome, sophisticated, hypnotic and subtle. There’s no way to convey the loss. It just digs down really deep.”-Bob Dylan

^^^love that
i think dylan was just in a weird place in 1987. even though you'd never know it from that album, by all accounts, he was really into playing with the dead. or at least jerry. i think that he asked if he could join the band full time ... and they said no!

and i didn't know that dylan used heroin w/ garcia in the 80s? is that true? weird.

That's the rumor (in the book "A Simple Twist of Fate"), I really don't know if it's true or not.

Supposedly Phil Lesh hated Dylan and is the one that veto'd the idea of Dylan joining the band; the rest wanted him to, but in the Dead organization, any member had veto power (and no one uses it more than Lesh).

i would use veto power too, if my name was listed on dylan & the dead. seriously the only dylan album i would never vouch for.

I used to drink way too much in this dive bar that John Barlow (Bob Weir's lyricist) hung out at, and during one of our drunken conversations he said "The worst joke god ever played was giving a mean snake like Dylan so much talent." He also said of Bob Weir, "I wish I'd had a colloborator who had a sense of melody."

The Dylan-Dead rehearsal tapes are awesome though. Dunno what happened live.

lol, poor weir.
yeah, there's good stuff that i've heard from the rehearsals and other live tapes. but that album is terrible.

Indeed it is. And I love pretty much all Dylan - even his bad albums - but Dylan & the Dead is the worst of the lot by a mile.

xp love those moments in Stella Blues or China Dolls where it gets so slow and precious that time stands still and hanging out in the abyss, even if only for a few seconds, feels so good

Tyler, did you ever check out that Nashville Dead show on archive? I'm listening to bits of it again today; it's not start-to-finish great, but Jerry's guitar tone is ripping, and Bobby's playing way more slide than I'm accustomed to.

yeah i think i listened to most of that one, definitely a great jerry show.

Dylan started using heroin again with Garcia, for the first time since the '60s,

?!? where does this come from. never heard of Dylan using heroin ever. Speed, yes, but smack...?

yeah, i think there are just rumors about the 1966 period. nothing very concrete, though.