Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

I didn't like Treme much, but what I like even less is people who say I didn't like it because it wasn't "The Wire."

What do I know, though, I liked John from Cincinnati a whole lot.

u only liked John from Cincinnati bc it took place in an old timey western frontier town

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yeah i realize thats a disingenuous throwaway remark, sorry.

i loved John from Cincinnati too

I loved John from Cincinnati with the Milch commentary track on and the regular audio track off.

when do we get a tv show created by the cohen bros

Not too surprising:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-mann-david-milch-split-181092

i'm actually really surprised mann had that big a hand in it in the first place. i figured it'd be a thing where he just directs the pilot and slaps his name on the show a la scorsese & boardwalk empire, but according to this:

After what an HBO source describes as "serious" discussions, Milch has the final word on scripts, but Mann decides everything else, from casting to cutting to music. Clearly that is not a situation to which Milch, the Emmy-winning writer-producer of NYPD Blue and Deadwood, has lately been accustomed.

rad, cochi loco is in this

mann loves ortiz.

Mann decides everything else, from casting to cutting to music.

wonder who else is directing

Terry George and Allen Coulter apparently (me neither).

HBO's gonna have their 'house' guys direct it like they do with every show.

Didn't Terry George do Hotel Rwanda?

Totally inevitable. Two of the smartest, toughest, most head-strong, most perfectionist auteurs in the biz, collaborating? Ha. I'd watch a show about their behind the scenes fights.

Premieres in January.

trailer

http://www.slashfilm.com/tv-trailer-michael-manndirected-hbo-drama-series-luck-starring-dustin-hoffman-nick-nolte/

This better be good

The pilot is going to debut after the Boardwalk Empire finale on Dec. 11, with the season starting proper in January.

the pilot was pretty dope

I liked it. There was some discussion on the sandbox TV thread, maybe I'll copy it over when sandbox comes back

downloads furiously

I liked it. It was confusing, but pretty.

when does the season start

i bet the horse betting stuff is gonna confuse the crap outta me

think it starts at the end of the month

yeah the real premier is Jan. 29 (which I assume will be the pilot showing again, with a new ep on Feb 5)

The pilot for this was insanely good.

I just love Milch's writing. It's like otherworldly Shakespeare, in that it takes you a bit to get into the rhythms, etc., but once you do, you feel much more connected to it. You have to PAY. ATTENTION. I like that he doesn't seem concerned with realism in his dialog at all, but it also seems like whatever the style becomes, it will have its own consistency, and therefore will become more comfortable/decipherable for the viewer over time.

so this pilot ain't on HBO Go?

no shockingly!

probably cos it was a sneak preview deal

mordy i can't seem to reply to you on facebook, but i'm okay waiting

its on teh torrents just fyi

holy cow that horse run very good.

Pilot is Michael Mann, though, right? I wonder who they got to direct the other eps. Probably called Walter Hill off the bench again, I hope.

that horse run very good

from the sound of things Mann was heavily involved throughout

Since it's an HBO drama, the rest are probably directed by Tim van Patten, Allen Coulter, and company.

And a quick look at IMDB gives the directors of the subsequent episodes as Terry George, Allen Coulter, Philip Noyce, Brian Kirk, Henry Bronchtein and Mimi Leder

I found the incessant use of music on the pilot incredibly annoying and the starry casting a bit distracting. Didn't really feel any real Milchian zing in the dialogue. A little underwhelmed all round.

possibly just me but i found a couple of the accents incomprehensible

dustin hoffman was amazing i thought

looked fantastic of course

not much of a starry cast, i thought? just nolte + hoffman and both had really subtle performances imo

Jose Yero's accent takes some close listening.

Was pretta hypes to see Richard Kind show up. He could be in every show and movie and i probably wouldn't complain. But yeah, somewhat underwhelmed by this. Deadwood came out swinging, it announced itself. So many memorable moments all these years later from that pilot. I'm not at all sure what this is going to be after the first episode.

that cajun can pump

music for the last race btw, knew i recognized it from somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut20H-r9HiM

i just rewatched this, it is amazing

finally watched this, I think I liked it, kinda felt like a high end csi miami, i thought he speed and power of the horses way portrayed really well

didnt feel that mannish tho

or that milchish either now that I think abt it, tho the degraded milieu as single organism will prob reveal itself as the show goes on