should i give the grateful dead a chance?

you forget the great dickey betts/phil lesh flame war of 88. xp

hmmm now if dickey had died instead of duane and jerry said fuggit come on hunter let's head south and join those peach-eatin' good ol' boys... (i'm always dreaming, sorry.)

lol I see the rest of your post is riddled with I-don't-actually-have-an-argument-so-I-condescend garbage, never mind - when you want to actually talk about music with people who've doubtless heard & understood as much of it as you have, come back to this thread, til then I think everybody gets it - you don't dig the Grateful Dead and you think people who have don't have your penetrating insight into music - cool, gotcha - now fuck off

Dear me.

would rather talk about Band vs. CCR but this is a Dead thread so I adjust

ccr!

i don't have any time for the band. maybe when i'm 80.

i mean i looooooooooove the allmans and the new riders and poco and cowboy and quicksilver and a zillion other also-ran mutton chop motherfuckers, but the band...i better stop or stormy davis will come beat me up or something.

Actually, I'll let it lie. The Fall comparison above makes sense - I love the Fall, and can never wholly dislike anyone else who does, since getting MES strikes me as pretty good for humanity/ interestingness index bonus points. But I know and like people who don't, and while I regret it, I understand they're not bad, and their taste isn't consequently suspect in every other respect. So maybe I just don't 'get' it (if there is an 'it')

right there w/ ya scott...watched The Last Waltz and didn't really get all the hubbub...the only Band I like is when Helm & Danko guest-starred on 70s Neil Young albums

scott otm

you dirty hippies should give the band another chance

Sorry to say I'm with Scott, Drugs and wk on this one. Great musicians when backing someone else, but I'm bored by the Band stuff.

maybe i just listen to too much actual country music too? i dunno. i used to have a problem with a lot of acting-80-when-you're-30 music that i probably like now. like the dead. i haven't actually listened to every band album though. i kinda liked cahoots at one point i think? and someone mentioned little feat, man, i can listen to them all day long. so maybe its just a vocal thing. i don't really have a specific problem with the band. i just never listen to them! i can't listen to everything. though i try.

The Band, The Dead, they both really do it for me...I kind of like the hokey, folksy kind of thing the Band has but can understand favoring one over the other. Personally, I would love to hear Garcia, Danko & Manuel sing together...and I love the idea of the 2 bands swapping material

http://www.lyricshunt.com/img/posters/35/PF_2370181.jpg

Let's do it. Let's go.

i'd see that show for $10, totally.

I'll warm up the time machine

lol at (what I think is) a 1966 photo of the Dead for a 1973 show

$10 for concert, parking AND camping :D

we should bring weed from here tho, weed back then pretty much sucked huh

seward to thread in re: modern weed being too much to really enjoy life w/

the dude who owns the bbq joint in my town actually went to this festival. he has a story about showing up with a vanload of friends and then literally never seeing his friends again the whole weekend. 600,000 people!

he was also like, "yeah there was music ... couldn't really hear any of it, though."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYp9RM2xp8

get to Watkins Glen a day early for soundcheck to catch one of the all-time killer live Dead jams

600,000?

um...I need to rethink this

we should bring weed from here tho,

the dude who owns the bbq joint in my town actually went to this festival. he has a story about showing up with a vanload of friends and then literally never seeing his friends again the whole weekend. 600,000 people!

maybe you guys should bring mobile phones from here too, then?

mobile phones get totally confusing while high ime

ok so it seems to be consensus, i should download Europe 72 first if i've never really heard non-studio dead?

i have anthem of the sun, that is pretty ok

Then we'll have to bring the towers too. This is getting complicated.

Bring walkie-talkies, ppl!

i have a vw bus ILX can get a ride to watkin's glen from me :)

but you know, ass, gas, or cash, nobody rides for free

Though, what with the mushrooms you'll get, you guys'll be communicating telepathically anyhow.

this one m@tt http://so-many-roads-boots.blogspot.com/2010/08/grateful-dead-1972-08-27-veneta-or-sbd.html

Then we'll have to bring the towers too. This is getting complicated.

Time travel project scuppered by inability to get phone mast into Tardis.

sweet

walkie talkies the way to go
arrive early for soundcheck
should we bring good beers from the future or drink whatever's going?

I haven't heard Europe 72, I should check that out. Love Live/Dead and the 3CD version of the Fillmore West 1969 shows.

thanks tyler

Excerpt from "AQUARIUS RISING" by Robert Santelli

Part 1

The largest crowd that ever gathered for a rock festival did so at Watkins Glen, New York, in July of 1973. Outdrawing the previous high at Woodstock almost two to one, more than 600,000 young people sardined themselves into the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Raceway for a single-day festival known as the Summer Jam. Featured groups were the Grateful Dead, the Allman Brothers, and the Band. Time travelers arrived early for the killer soundcheck with excellent weed, walkie talkies and hella good microbrews.

So that's what the Doctor Who in America episodes are about.

lol tyler :)

i. someone explain "seastones" to me
Here is an explanation via Mutant Sounds, of all places
http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/04/phil-lesh-ned-lagin-seastoneslpcd197519.html

Seastones sounds greaat!

it is. the Dead vault on archive.org has Seastones sets for some of those shows 1974-75 iirc

RE: Veneta, I wasn't aware you could post a 36 minute video on youtube, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIS97uuSWY

listening to the dead set tyler told me to get.

p good so far

funny, after all the fighting, the first thing that's struck me is how much "sugaree" sounds like The Band

totally, matt! I brought up the Band yesterday b/c it was the hook my friend used to get me into the Dead (via Europe 72)

Reading some of Scott's fantasies upthread is totally making me wish Richard Manuel had a shot at "Candyman".

I'm thinking about making the friend who showed me The Last Waltz sit through at least the first disc of Europe 72

i would not introduce someone to the band through the last waltz fwiw