should i give the grateful dead a chance?

what if the dead had been jorma and jerry and the god-like jack casady

If I Could Only Remember My Name, plus the associated demos, rehearsals, and outtakes.

This thread got me imagining what it would have sounded like if The Band and The Dead had swapped songbooks circa 1970.

Pigpen destroying (in a good way) "Up on Cripple Creek," Jerry on "When You Awake"...I think Weir could do a credible "Stage Fright".

"Mountains of the Moon" as a duo of Manuel and Hudson...maybe a little mandolin played by Levon. Keep Robertson and Danko away from that one. All of Workingman's Dead would be pretty neat played by the Band, but I have a hard time imagining their approach to "Dark Star."

darkness that people said was missing from the dead.

Ahhhhhhh-ha-hah-ha-hah-ha-ha-ha-ha. This band is at least 80% darkness.

i don't really get that complaint either, unless those people just have 14 versions of dancing in the street or something.

i. can someone explain 'seastones' to me
ii. can anyone recommend a live thing post gaining godchaux where you can really HEAR godchaux? he seems to make so little difference to what they're doing in the jams, whereas on the records he's a massive component of the sound
iii. i have been listening to nothing but the grateful dead for the last week

"goin home, goin home, by the riverside i will rest my bones, listen to river sing sweet songs to rock my soul"

The Dead's fatalism was so large and all-enveloping that oftentimes people couldn't see it...

black peter hit me so hard when i was 16. but i was a huge joy division fan, so it makes sense.

i think im over hating for the dead. i remember watching a classic albums episode for workingmans dead and it was like bad country rock but ive heard a few things that i like such as dark star and china cat sunflower. theyre not the acid rock freakout i was expecting but i like those songs enough to investigate. i like the allman brothers "eat a peach" so these guys were a big influence on that sound, right? now wheres my pachouli oil....

There is nothing the Dead ever did that matches four bars of Levon Helm's drumming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZaU3VtMfoM

one of my fave lyrics of all time:

I ran into Charlie Phogg
Blacked my eye and he kicked my dog
My doggie turned to me and he said
Let's head back to Tennessee Jed

Yah dude, the country rock greats were not all hating on each other in opposing internet music boards or nothing.

Ugh Band vs Dead is such a reductive, boring way to talk about either band. It's so Beatles v Stones.
Liking one doesnt magically negate the talent of the other. May Levon shove hotdrumsticks in yr ears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_dkavLVcN0

fuckin' danko : )

you forget the great dickey betts/phil lesh flame war of 88. xp

hmmm now if dickey had died instead of duane and jerry said fuggit come on hunter let's head south and join those peach-eatin' good ol' boys... (i'm always dreaming, sorry.)

lol I see the rest of your post is riddled with I-don't-actually-have-an-argument-so-I-condescend garbage, never mind - when you want to actually talk about music with people who've doubtless heard & understood as much of it as you have, come back to this thread, til then I think everybody gets it - you don't dig the Grateful Dead and you think people who have don't have your penetrating insight into music - cool, gotcha - now fuck off

Dear me.

would rather talk about Band vs. CCR but this is a Dead thread so I adjust

ccr!

i don't have any time for the band. maybe when i'm 80.

i mean i looooooooooove the allmans and the new riders and poco and cowboy and quicksilver and a zillion other also-ran mutton chop motherfuckers, but the band...i better stop or stormy davis will come beat me up or something.

Actually, I'll let it lie. The Fall comparison above makes sense - I love the Fall, and can never wholly dislike anyone else who does, since getting MES strikes me as pretty good for humanity/ interestingness index bonus points. But I know and like people who don't, and while I regret it, I understand they're not bad, and their taste isn't consequently suspect in every other respect. So maybe I just don't 'get' it (if there is an 'it')

right there w/ ya scott...watched The Last Waltz and didn't really get all the hubbub...the only Band I like is when Helm & Danko guest-starred on 70s Neil Young albums

scott otm

you dirty hippies should give the band another chance

Sorry to say I'm with Scott, Drugs and wk on this one. Great musicians when backing someone else, but I'm bored by the Band stuff.

maybe i just listen to too much actual country music too? i dunno. i used to have a problem with a lot of acting-80-when-you're-30 music that i probably like now. like the dead. i haven't actually listened to every band album though. i kinda liked cahoots at one point i think? and someone mentioned little feat, man, i can listen to them all day long. so maybe its just a vocal thing. i don't really have a specific problem with the band. i just never listen to them! i can't listen to everything. though i try.

The Band, The Dead, they both really do it for me...I kind of like the hokey, folksy kind of thing the Band has but can understand favoring one over the other. Personally, I would love to hear Garcia, Danko & Manuel sing together...and I love the idea of the 2 bands swapping material

http://www.lyricshunt.com/img/posters/35/PF_2370181.jpg

Let's do it. Let's go.

i'd see that show for $10, totally.

I'll warm up the time machine

lol at (what I think is) a 1966 photo of the Dead for a 1973 show

$10 for concert, parking AND camping :D

we should bring weed from here tho, weed back then pretty much sucked huh

seward to thread in re: modern weed being too much to really enjoy life w/

the dude who owns the bbq joint in my town actually went to this festival. he has a story about showing up with a vanload of friends and then literally never seeing his friends again the whole weekend. 600,000 people!

he was also like, "yeah there was music ... couldn't really hear any of it, though."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYp9RM2xp8

get to Watkins Glen a day early for soundcheck to catch one of the all-time killer live Dead jams

600,000?

um...I need to rethink this

we should bring weed from here tho,

the dude who owns the bbq joint in my town actually went to this festival. he has a story about showing up with a vanload of friends and then literally never seeing his friends again the whole weekend. 600,000 people!

maybe you guys should bring mobile phones from here too, then?

mobile phones get totally confusing while high ime

ok so it seems to be consensus, i should download Europe 72 first if i've never really heard non-studio dead?

i have anthem of the sun, that is pretty ok

Then we'll have to bring the towers too. This is getting complicated.

Bring walkie-talkies, ppl!

i have a vw bus ILX can get a ride to watkin's glen from me :)

but you know, ass, gas, or cash, nobody rides for free

Though, what with the mushrooms you'll get, you guys'll be communicating telepathically anyhow.

this one m@tt http://so-many-roads-boots.blogspot.com/2010/08/grateful-dead-1972-08-27-veneta-or-sbd.html

Then we'll have to bring the towers too. This is getting complicated.

Time travel project scuppered by inability to get phone mast into Tardis.

sweet

walkie talkies the way to go
arrive early for soundcheck
should we bring good beers from the future or drink whatever's going?