You said: Make civil unions have the same exact legal standing as trad marriages and voila - problem solved, at least legally speaking. But if Catholics don't wanna marry gays, I don't see how there's any way the law can tell them they have to.
And through that passage, I came away with the idea that you don't seem to realize that a) Catholics will never have to marry gay people, whether gay marriage is legalized or not, and whether it is called marriage or not.
― Melissa W, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm sorry I snapped at you but maybe I used too many double negatives for you or something. The law can't make churches marry anybody, as my statement "I DON'T SEE HOW THE LAW CAN TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO" should make clear.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
anyway hurray my point is illustrated that semantics have completely fucked any rational debate about this subject
o the irony
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
What I am trying to ask you is why do you think the law is ACTUALLY TRYING THIS? Or that this is actually a goal to ANYONE?
― Melissa W, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, churches can do pretty much whatever the fuck they want even with regards to straight marriage, so I don't think this is part of anyone's mission.
― Melissa W, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know, were you just stating the obvious in the worst possibly phrased way?
― Melissa W, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link
yes probably
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
What I don’t get is why marriage should be restricted to couples. Why should a merry gang of lifelong friends be deprived of the possibility of sealing their togetherness? For it’s scarcely about love. I love plenty of people, and it’s revolting that I should have to single them down to some “significant other.” Coupleism — the last form of acceptable repression?
― Jeb, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, but think about how expensive dinner would be.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:07 (sixteen years ago) link
What I don’t get is why marriage should be restricted to couples.
cuz making it otherwise is a massive legal headache. the very concept of marriage "benefits" requires that those benefits not be conferred to anyone in any situation. sorry, some restrictions are necessary. besides, who wants to create a whole legal framework for polygamy, sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link
polygamy also traditionally oppressive/beneficial to one gender at the expense of the other.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Threesomes are fun and all, but I wouldn't want to worry about a partner's sexual stability when I have to wait in line for the bathroom.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Hi everyone I can remember sleeping with steals covers, I should MULTIPLY that by some larger number and freeze to death completely??
― Laurel, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Also fuck you, you people, a bed is not a burrito.
my friend used to babysit for a kid who would say "tuck me in LIKE A BURRITO"
― max, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought that said "fuck me like a burrito"
sorry
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
me too
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Funniest possible things to say during moment of climax.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link
A very good thing -- but let's see what happens in November.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Of course, I can see people using this as a talking point:
One of the first couples to wed, the lead plaintiffs in San Francisco's lawsuit challenging marriage laws, has since separated and is no longer part of the case.
You mean gay couples can divorce like straight couples? You don't say!
I'm not optimistic about the amendment on the Florida constitution, up for voting in America.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Connecticut Supreme Court joins the party:
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hcu-gaymarriage-1010,0,7812756.story
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Does that make you angry Morbs?
― NJ Sucks (libcrypt), Friday, 10 October 2008 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
?
no. As long as the state is marrying people, it should be marrying everybody.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Need to bait the hook better next time.
― NJ Sucks (libcrypt), Friday, 10 October 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
bait yrself, Jersey hater
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
As long as the state is marrying people, it should be marrying everybody.
http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/wt/wt070226let_oscar_be_oscar/benigni-lg.jpg
― Dow 30,000 by 2008 (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 10 October 2008 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
yes, let's get Rev Moon to marry us all to Pinocchio.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't actually hate NJ. I just think it's cool that there's a character than looks like NJ.
― NJ Sucks (libcrypt), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i think gay marriage is bullshit--i think all marriage is bullshit. i was walking around christopher st this summer and some woman from fox news with a big camera wanted to interview me about the subject--i assume b/c i was the gayest person she could find in the village, but i declined.
it's a weird issue b/c i think it's so consumed the queer movement in the US that, at this point, if someone says theyre against gay marriage, it means they're homophobic. which made it hard to watch biden sidestep the question in the debate.
but in the end--why would i want to be part of your fucked up, heteronormative, historically misogynist tradition? so i can have my relationships okayed by straight people? whatevz.
― pterodactyl, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I hope this doesn't wind up giving fuel to the McCain campaign, given that both tickets are against gay marriage anyway.
― Maria, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
While I have some sympathy for the "all marriage is bullshit" argument, I think it's a bit short-sighted. I don't think it takes into account why people enter into marriages, which is not always for normative reasons. (And there is nothing at all heteronormative about gay marriage? Almost by definition? I mean the whole problem is that it's a queering of a text/ritual/concept, surely.)
― Casuistry, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
i think that the reason gay marriage has become the center of the gay rights movement is that it seems totally safe to straight people. i.e. they can see it as "oh, gay people are just like us!" which then leads to real downwithit straight folks asking halfjokingly who "the man" is, ha ha. i don't really buy that it's queering anything.
seems to me that any legit reason people enter into marriages for (i.e. civil rights, immigration, etc) should be guaranteed to people whether or not theyre fucking anyone.
― pterodactyl, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
gays should go back to reminding us that they're not totally safe to straight people
― original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 10 October 2008 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I am using that post as evidence that when you die and your estate is getting divided, ptero
― nabisco, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link
remove "that" from sentence
the second "that"
ABORT SNAPPY POINT ATTEMPT REPEAT ABORT
i dont have an estate b/c i am so RADICAL & QUEER
i float above your petty economics like a revolutionary fairy!!!
― pterodactyl, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Face it, breeders. We're just not cool enough to hang with the queers.
― NJ Sucks (libcrypt), Friday, 10 October 2008 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
No, just a powerless one...
― Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link
as opposed to if i had the incredibly powerful right of marriage? o please, bless me with yr straight privileges!
― pterodactyl, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:46 (fifteen years ago) link
take us to your magical land free from historically misogynist institutions
― original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 10 October 2008 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
welcome to lesbian separatism my friend
you will feel weirdly at home here.
― pterodactyl, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Crutis, are you considering becoming a lesbian?
― LATIN CAPITAL LETTER LJ (libcrypt), Friday, 10 October 2008 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean, some gays aren't safe to straight people, and some straights aren't safe to gay people, and some are, and some of each want to get married, and some don't, etc., etc.
― Casuistry, Saturday, 11 October 2008 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link
sure... it just is disappointing that the whole queer movement focuses around marriage when (it seems to me) there are so many more relevant & important issues. & i recognize it's a PR move, but for who?
i teach HS... i hear kids getting called faggot & dyke several times a day; see kids struggle vs in tolerant parents; watch pregnant teens slowly drop out. & then i'm supposed to rally behind the very (i think) middle class issue of gay marriage? like that's gonna make an iota of difference to the 16 yr old queer kid in my class? like thats gonna help transgendered people or poor people or anyone who isnt already doing ok?
i mean god bless the middle class & everything but it just isnt a movement i feel particularly inspired by.
― pterodactyl, Saturday, 11 October 2008 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link
marriage is gay
― sad man in him room (milo z), Saturday, 11 October 2008 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i totally support gay marriage. equal rights, this is HUMAN BEINGS we're talking about!
― internet person, Saturday, 11 October 2008 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not going to make a difference to them now, maybe; it surely will make more of a difference to the queer kid in your class ten, twenty years from now. Did Stonewall make a huge difference to the queer kid in a Seattle classroom in 1969? Maybe, but probably not right away.
― Casuistry, Saturday, 11 October 2008 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link