Psalm 69's not just about the singles. Scarecrow's astounding - that's the heart of the album for me. But I agree it has more filler than The Mind.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/ministry/album-filth-pig.jpg
Don't know how they didn't manage to shift 2 million units of this sucker.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I didn't even buy it. I still use "Filth Pig" as an insult though, particularly toward one of my wife's chihuahuas.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
filth pig is worthy of the entry price for the bob dylan cover version alone, that's a proper late night + wine loud music blast.
― mark e, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I can sum up why Filth Pig never got anywhere easy -- "The Fall" was released as the first single and it seemed slow, draggy and boring in comparison to a lot of other Ministry singles (and in terms of the mass market, a certain NIN album of the previous year had wider appeal, shall we say).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
filth pig cover art always reminded me of this classic Arbus photo
http://brownstate.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be1b69e20105357094dd970c-450wi
by way of Massive Headwound Harry
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41589_143588872337299_6284_n.jpg
― car's not yellow, it's chicken (Pillbox), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link
in addition to what Ned said, Filth Pig sucks and is terrible
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
At the time I had every Ministry release, and when Filth Pig came out I was just sorely disappointing. It's not as if I was expecting another Land of Rape and Honey, but when I listened to it it felt like the look on my dog's face after he got neutered.
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm listening to "The Fall" again to see if I still hate it
about 20 seconds in, my answer is "no, but it certainly isn't anything special"
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
S: "the nature of love" (cruelty mix). brutal
― ur reading from a season in hell but u don't know what it's abt (missingNO), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
1:30 in, yeah this just sucks
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"The Nature of Love" OTOH is and always will be fucking great
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.
I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.
"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
lol actually this reminds me, did you ever get back on the NIN wagon?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
While there'http://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.gifouple bad tracks on Psalm 69, to me there's just some tracks that totally kill. Like Just One Fix, and Scarecrow along with Jesus Built my Hotrod, and NWO
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
You're lying through your teeth.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah NIN pretty much dead to me
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
You're lying through your teeth..
I strongly recommend the Year Zero remix album, if only for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5LNAL12mI
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
so watch yourself, and watch what you say, they'll all die
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
interesting thread - didnt we have a Filth Pig one?I find Filth Pig has aged relatively well and could now be seen as proto-sludge. The Fall, Brick Windows, Lava and especially the Dylan cover are definitely keepers.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the dylan cover was great
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
haha like half the initial ilx search results for "filth pig" are me hating on it
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a bag of sick masquerading as an album
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the other half of the results are you saying "are you sure you didnt spell psalm 69 wrong" so
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i cant trust dan on this subject if he hates psalm 69 and thinks the rot set in earlier
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure of y'all already knowthere's a ministry documentary fresh outit's like ministry but also with mad heroin and bullet-proof vests
― the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.fixtheministrymovie.com/
― the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:19 (twelve years ago) link
ok haha i am listening through the ministry catalog in order to make my wedding playlist (yeah i know) and guys. thieves is so so good.
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
also before i look like i am having some sort of rivethead prom for my wedding, this isnt making the cut but still
fuck
it makes me all teenagery
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
best use of a drill sample outside of maybe that slapshot album no one else in the world likes
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
Give in to your past.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
i would say what i picked but i cant ruin dans special day
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
if you picked "Cannibal Song" I will cut you on your wedding day
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Throw Dan in a celll-llll-llll...
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
I am listening to this again to see if I still hate it and so far all signs point towards YES
It's proto-Filth Pig, only even more static and boring. GOD was way better at this type of thing.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
Our own xhuxk does some spelunking.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
"Then, two years later, with barbarian-come-lately mastermind Al Jourgensen seemingly inspired by certain big and black swine-fornicating post-hardcore outfits from the onetime Hog Butcher of the World..."
nice piece. enjoyed the summaries and dot-connecting, both for stuff i know and love (killing joke! butthole surfers! voivod!) and artists that are less familiar to me.
kind of funny/odd that he hints at big black's (i think obvious) influence on ministry's transformation, but doesn't devote an entry to them. rolands need love, too.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Two points:
1) I wouldn't call Land and Mind "interchangeable" at all. The songs on the former are much more simplistic (and, yes, Big Black-esque); the latter features real live human drummers, blatant Killing Joke imitations and a general increase in structural complexity.
2) New Rigor Mortis album this year, recorded at Jourgensen's studio with the full original lineup! I am excited.
― 誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
How is "Burning Inside" more structurally complex than "Stigmata"?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
id say they arent interchangable, but mostly because of the shift from keys/samples/drum machine to geetars/drumming as musical focus
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
if it wasnt for land of rape and honey, my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
oh duh wait never mind, twitch exists. lol @ me
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link