Eww: It's the Ill Blu Hype Thread

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... What they do with vocals on this one. Massive massive massive tune!

Tim F, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:54 (six years ago) Permalink

I have listened to "get freaky with you" about seven times today.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 11:59 (six years ago) Permalink

love these guys! has anybody seen the 'i wonder' instrumental around? i know i've heard it on their show, ill blu at their symphonic best

Also I would very much like a definitive list of everything that's out there in standalone MP3 format, remixes included.

maybe a few missing?:

3-2-1 - bring it back
aaliyah - rock the boat
cheryl cole - parachute
craig david - one more lie
donae'o - watching her move (& instrumental)
dj sava - i like the trumpet
funky dee - are you gonna bang doe?
h two o ft. zoe - pink love
hot chip - i feel better & instrumental
kc - r.a.v.e.
kris bayer - heartbreaker (& instrumental)
lloyd - all around the world
mj cole - gotta have it
mpho - boxes n locks
platnum - trippin
roll deep - good times
roll deep - green light
sabrina washington - OMG
shontelle - battle cry
shystie - pull it (& instrumental)
steve hoang - no coming back
suncycle ft. movado - no more
young nate - i wonder

solo productions:
meltdown ep
bellion / dragon pop
time to get nasty
blu magic
dotstar - stick up (& instrumental)
hoodzee - rider
princess nyah - big boys (& instrumental)
princess nyah - frontline (& remix ft coldsteps & instrumental)
princess nyah - hooligans (& remix ft griminal & ghetts)
princess nyah - i will be there remix ft coldsteps
shanique - take it low

lucas pine, Thursday, 7 April 2011 00:42 (six years ago) Permalink


Ill Blu - Say Yes
Ill Blu - Roll With Me ft. SpeShill
Dotstar - Stick Up (Remix)

Tim F, Thursday, 7 April 2011 00:57 (six years ago) Permalink

love ill blu but some of those new tracks are a bit too heavy on the attitude. sounds like theyre trying to get the dubstep crowd on board. i dont mean this in a cruel way, but its like funky that caspa might play (and caspa used to be good, before anyone says anything).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 April 2011 21:57 (six years ago) Permalink

when you and jimitheexploder go on your honeymoon can it please be somewhere far away and for a very long time? thanks in advance.

r|t|c, Saturday, 9 April 2011 22:23 (six years ago) Permalink

maybe jimi and i and you and tim can make it a couples weekend? only if you promise not to be a cunt though. thanks in advance.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 April 2011 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink


Ill Blu are ace always thought it.


p.s. I'll happily go on a hunny moon, if anyone is paying I'm skint and need a holiday. Thanx.

thanx for the shout out rtc I fee lat home now ilm goons are calling me out yay!

jimitheexploder, Saturday, 9 April 2011 22:43 (six years ago) Permalink

ooh, as if i could afford that little minx.

seriously titch i really don't understand how you can be so wrong and bad about the new stuff, it is plainly some of the most exciting music in donkeys. i'm struggling thinking what else to say here!

r|t|c, Saturday, 9 April 2011 22:47 (six years ago) Permalink

The only thing I'd say about the new bits is that sometimes its a bit ott and dramatic. Not really in a bad way, I'm splitting hairs really. I've just got to be in the mood for it, they've always had that dramatic edge to them but they're really pushing it to the extream at times now and its a bit much and doesn't get the killer raw rolling groove I dig from funky going as much as older bits. They push more and more epic moments into tracks and its cool but I miss that groove a bit unless I'm in turbo drama mode. They still kill it and are some of the best producers around in the scene right now.

jimitheexploder, Saturday, 9 April 2011 23:00 (six years ago) Permalink

erm where did i say it wasnt good? of course its exciting. just think a few of them were surprisingly 'tudey. and i stand by what i said that if caspa (or d1 even) was playing funky, i can imagine this would be *totally* up their street. its got a lot of shared qualities. i know you guys think that ill blu must live in a bubble and wouldnt pay dubstep guys any mind but hello, theyve been on numbers, hyperdub... its not out of the question to think that they might be thinking it might be cool/nice to do something a bit outside their usual box. or that gasp, it might have just rubbed off on them a bit. yes i know it could of course be inadvertent influence from old house tracks but i dunno, dubstep is so unignorable these days, eg - when they did that mix on 1xtra, it was on (unless im mistaken) of all things mistajams 'daily dose of dubstep'!

jimi, life is all downhill once you fail to get rtcs stamp of approval.

ps - that deep teknologi track around 80 mins on that recent rinse show is stupidly good.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 April 2011 23:05 (six years ago) Permalink

jimi, OTM

if they ramp up this angle too far, itll be close to funky in the wobble zone

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 April 2011 23:07 (six years ago) Permalink

or at the very least, they will be doing a roska

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 9 April 2011 23:11 (six years ago) Permalink

i still don't know what there is to bitch about - you're prattling on about dubstep as if invoking it however vaguely has any bearing to anyone on the material's excellence. i've already said a few times actually that ill blu are outgrowing the scene to an extent, but that isn't to say that their tracks have become indigestible in funky terms either; there's never not been a space for this kind of tuffness in the "genre" and if anything the issue as far as there is one currently is whether dj's are articulating it as fully as they could be doing. otherwise you could chide a million funky classics for not singularly encapsulating funky's groove as it were - that's not how it's ever worked.

i suspect the fact that these new tunes have only cropped up in their own barnstormer sets so far has put a distorting emphasis on you lads' view of the bigger picture.

r|t|c, Sunday, 10 April 2011 00:01 (six years ago) Permalink

The categorical error here is thinking that ott drama and a rolling groove are somehow mutually exclusive. I can't see how the new material can be faulted from the second perspective. The caspa comparison might make sense if the kineticism of the tunes was falling away and the whole point of the tunes was the drop. In the absence of that happening the comparison is simply trying to tie negative associations around muscularity and drama. You could as easily reference hyper-on experience, total science, black strobe or Danny weed. Each of these would have misleading implications. Analogy isn't destiny.

Quite aside from the fact that their new tunes are no more ott than "time to get nasty" from late 2008 or the "bring it back remix" from 2009. If this was going to cause them to jump the shark it would have happened by now.

Everybody knows and complains about the fact that I'm sensitively attuned to funky producers straying from the one true path. Obv I'd be the first to call out Ill Blu if that actually looked likely.

But it's not as simple as "does this tune sound like dubstep yes/no", when producers fall off it's much more about a dramatic reduction in vibe and (in particular) a self-conscious distancing from their own most pleasurable and cheesy tricks and tactics. Whereas this is the precise thing that Ill Blu are so good at finding new ways to develop.

Tim F, Sunday, 10 April 2011 00:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah your last point is a good one rtc - "meltdown" and "chelt" make more sense as funky tunes in the context of a typical funky dj set. And everyone plays them, so I don't get a sense that people within the scene feel alienated by the duo's direction.

Tim F, Sunday, 10 April 2011 00:11 (six years ago) Permalink

this is why i love ilx

just sayin, Sunday, 10 April 2011 00:17 (six years ago) Permalink


RIP FUNKY!!!!!!!!!!

oh wait no it's just a banger, my bad

r|t|c, Sunday, 10 April 2011 00:21 (six years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't say that drama and groove are exclusive no. I just don't get as much groove from the newer bits as I did before. They're still shit hot at drum programing but the tracks go off on one in other departments and distract from it a bit at times. Time To Get Nasty is pretty ott but its not reaching the hights of bits in the Master Jam set in that department, it swings back into tight hard hitting grooves pretty quick after the big builds. Its not synth rush after build after synth rush... I'm still on board with them I just woudln't be that fussed about hearing their music in one big chunk, it works better broken up and used as a massive dramatic peak. Nowt wrong with that. They pretty much only make anthems, which are always better used sparingly for me, they have more impact then.

jimitheexploder, Sunday, 10 April 2011 00:47 (six years ago) Permalink

nice! loved the mistajam mix when i downloaded it a couple months ago, ill start digging my way through their other new stuff

k3vin k., Sunday, 10 April 2011 01:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Building on this discussion, I'd say that arguably Ill Blu takes Caspa-esque dubstep's banger mentality and does it properly, that is: bangers that are for dancing rather than just (head)banging.

And in truth "Bhangra Knights" actually is a dubstep tune, or at any rate close to it, but again: if Caspa actually sounded like (or rather, as good as) this I could totally get on board with yobstep.

I should clarify that my statement on the funky house sceptics thread to the effect that Ill Blu's occasional similarities to dubstep felt inadvertent wasn't meant to suggest that they don't know or like or are influenced by dubstep, but rather that if I had to guess at what they were really reacting to it would be "Pon De Floor" et. al but with the raviness intensified - that is the thread that seems to unite "Bhangra Knights", "Dirty Monkey", "Warp Speed" and "Get Freaky With You". That brings them close to dubstep at times and I'm sure they're well aware of that, but it doesn't feel like an aesthetic they're making a concerted effort to embrace.

Certainly Ill Blu's weakest tracks are their sparer non-dramatic efforts (e.g. "Dragon Pop") so if it's a choice between them veering towards Caspa or them veering towards Scratcha DVA or Mala, I think I'll actually take the former.

Tim F, Monday, 11 April 2011 10:35 (six years ago) Permalink

I <3 Dragon Pop the bassline is awsome. I've had it in my head since I fist heard it. Such a quality bump to it. Plus it sounds massive on a nice club soundsystem.

jimitheexploder, Monday, 11 April 2011 15:26 (six years ago) Permalink

ive yet to hear them going more towards mala/dva territory (mala and scratcha dont occupy the same sort of space anyway) so that seems like a false binary to me. the idea of their dramatic stuff vs dragon pop stuff is pointless, as they do both really well, without it sounding like a concession to anyone. ie dragon pop is too funky/percussive for dubstep. dubstep does bongos/percussive stuff but its never very groove-ful. its stiff. the main difference id say is just that their tracks have gotten 'bigger', 'better' produced, whereas the old tracks mostly in general were minimal rollers, and spare, more like grime. they seem to be making more complex (lots of big synth lines, more changes it seems, esp compared to something like that redlight tune posted above, which is a total banger, but a lot more stripped down compared to meltdown etc) stuff now, at the same time as theyre getting more intense and harder, almost abrasive. but then as for timelines, who knows, meltdown is about two years old.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 11 April 2011 15:53 (six years ago) Permalink

that seems like a false binary to me. the idea of their dramatic stuff vs dragon pop stuff is pointless, as they do both really well, without it sounding like a concession to anyone.

You and jimi started this false binary in the first place by contrasting drama with rhythm. Of course it's a false binary, that was my entire fucking point.

Tim F, Monday, 11 April 2011 21:18 (six years ago) Permalink

they do both really well, without it sounding like a concession to anyone. ie dragon pop is too funky/percussive for dubstep. dubstep does bongos/percussive stuff but its never very groove-ful. its stiff.

You were the one criticising me upthread for denying that they've gone dubstep.

Tim F, Monday, 11 April 2011 21:21 (six years ago) Permalink

the binary i was talking about was the choice of them going into dmz or caspa mode. i was never talking about dragon pop being concessionary, or at least, displaying an awareness of dubstep, it was the newer tracks, and a particular sort of dubstep aesthetic which i seem to hear there, ie dominating/maximal inyerface synth blasts. i never really considered DP being a response to dubstep dominance, even though it does nail the hyperdub aesthetic pretty well.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 11 April 2011 23:08 (six years ago) Permalink

so when it's a direction you do like it's a false binary but a direction you don't like it's a real one?

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 03:10 (six years ago) Permalink

Tinchy only you could turn a thread about the most banging shit in the entire world into this kind of tedious handwringing.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 08:48 (six years ago) Permalink

had a listen to the rinse fm mix while running today (lol the only time i listen to dj mixes now, slightly older man's compartmentalised life etc) and really liked it. tho i was more into the first hour with the vocal stuff than the second hour or so. lots of it is so refreshing tho, just raw energetic dance music with no piousness going on.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 18:20 (six years ago) Permalink

Haha, in that case you should just hang out on the funky house skeptics thread ronan.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 20:48 (six years ago) Permalink

The first track, carnao's "get out", is a longtime favorite of mine - reminds me of mark bell's "woman cry" and the like.

Finally released on that EP rtc linked to upthread.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:47 (six years ago) Permalink

for the bird, for the geezer, introductory funky listener, wicked selecta:


Carnao Beats ft Teeboy & Kadey - Get Out
Dakar - I've Got That Feeling
Barber Bizzle ft Miss Fire - Do You Feel The Same (Remix)
Funky Twinz ft Angel J - Smile
Roska ft Nikki - Energy
Chang-Sam - Don't Hold Back
Ill Blu - Blu Magic

----- 30 mins
Ill Blu ft Shanique - Say Yes
Bassjackers & Apster - Klambu (Seany B Refix)
Miss Fire - 004FH
DJ Mystery - Room 101
Fingaprint - Night Time (DVA's Hi Emotions Remix)
LR Groove - ?
Ill Blu - Chelt
DJ Eastwood - Oh Yeah
Shay & Sinista - Big Up Yaself
DVA - Flute Tune

----- 60 mins
Ill Blu - Time To Get Nasty
A1 Bassline - Shock Headed
Ill Blu - Get Freaky With You
Ill Blu - Monsta
Champion -
Undisputed - Sunglasses
J Bevin - Zulu

----- 90 mins
Ill Blu - Funerealness
Toddska - Gal From England
Ill Blu - Good Time (Version)
Ill Blu - Alrite Mate
Bassboy & Marcus Nasty - Next Funky
Ill Blu - ?
DJ Naughty ft Miss Fire - It's You
Black Coffee ft Bucie - Superman
Teedra Moses - Be Your Girl (Perempay n Dee Remix)

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 23:06 (six years ago) Permalink

Excellent work.

Ill Blu - Funerealness

Do we agree this is them? It doesn't seem as obviously Ill Blu as with, say, "Get Freaky With You". OTOH I couldn't guess at who else it might be.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 23:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Damn r|t|c! Thanks for the tracklist. This might be the best set I've heard this year so far.

matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 23:38 (six years ago) Permalink

haha really..? i was just thinking this is the same 7/10 set they always play on a tuesday! it's not like they're really putting their backs into it.

(seem to recall there was one particular ill blu show a few months ago i thought was notably good, and i believe i said so on the funky thread at the time. unfortunately though if i havent already lost it then i won't have access to to for a while, so if anyone would care to oblige...?)

a funky 7/10 is obv better than most of all yalls infinities though so i'm glad people are enjoying it whatever!

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 00:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Do we agree this is them? It doesn't seem as obviously Ill Blu as with, say, "Get Freaky With You". OTOH I couldn't guess at who else it might be.

it certainly takes shape a little differently than usual but the orchestration at very least is surely unmistakeable. i just can't imagine otherwise. the other thing in favour of it is i think if we'd first heard 'alrite mate' uncredited we'd have had a harder time guessing that was them than this.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 00:31 (six years ago) Permalink

Perhaps an overstatement, but I've found it far more exciting than a lot of my other go-to shows lately (Marcus, Smoove Kriminal, etc.), It feels nice, rough, and dirty. A lot of other sets have tended to go a more sophisticated route lately, it seems. I don't like the edges worn off of my funky.

matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 00:37 (six years ago) Permalink


not saying it's remotely on the same level but did you ever hear this other bit of inflationesque drama btw? think handy andy on the other place has also mentioned it. i was thinking mixed over something that rolls it could be a thing. (xp)

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 00:38 (six years ago) Permalink

can't remember if i mightnt have just been feeling charitable but i quite enjoyed the last marcus show (with depeo); hard to pick out an outstanding radio set this year though i agree.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 00:40 (six years ago) Permalink

11th january ill blu set was the one i highlighted if anyone's got that

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 00:46 (six years ago) Permalink

That Illmana track is lovely. It's not quite "Kiss You", but those strings and flourishes are amazing. I've got to say I love the bassline folks producing this stuff.

matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 01:32 (six years ago) Permalink

it certainly takes shape a little differently than usual but the orchestration at very least is surely unmistakeable. i just can't imagine otherwise. the other thing in favour of it is i think if we'd first heard 'alrite mate' uncredited we'd have had a harder time guessing that was them than this.

This is true. "Bhangra Knights" and "Do That" too probably. They seem to be branching in more different directions than before.

Notwithstanding its recognisable Ill Blu-ness, "Get Freaky With You" is notable for switching up its rhythmic attack several times, like "we have so many beats." There's the stuttery first breakdown, the breakbeaty second breakdown and the snare-overload third breakdown. I can't think of another recent track that is so generous rhythmically.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 01:52 (six years ago) Permalink

'chelt' too i think was quite an unexamined departure for them, despite it having been accepted without question.

as you say though, there's a implacable ease in their turning the screw every which way that belies titchy's fingerpointing, not to mention a variety that makes a mockery of any simple reduction to "dubstep".

in fairness to the little fella however, as absorptive as funky is in itself there is perhaps value yet in loosely trying to corrall whatever vibe it is it's picking up: a kind of mistajamified urban brit frankendance beyond (and largely uninterested in) the crippled ring-the-alarm horizons of dubstep, hyperdub, future garage, factmusic et al. a world of mike delinquent remixes, d double e on dnb, and the crown prince maverick sabre. (was dizzie really as reactive as first seemed with tongue n cheek?)

btw tim i was flabbergasted to find that you'd already just had the exact same dubstep argument from this thread back in january re britney? you bloody love it you slag.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:47 (six years ago) Permalink

told you it was just a regular set didnt i!


Carnao Beats ft Teeboy & Kadey - Get Out
?? [¡levantate! (what is this thing anyway, it's great?)]
Murdz 86 - No Glitches
DJ Eastwood - Oh Yeah
Bassboy & Marcus Nasty - Next Funky
DVA - Flute Tune
Chang-Sam - Don't Hold Back
Cooly G - ?

----- 30 mins
Lil Silva - Cheese & Bun
DJ Mystery - Room 101
Fuzzy Logik ft Myshy - Playground
Bassboy & Marcus Nasty - Stamp
?? [46']
Ill Blu - Get Freaky With You
Mr Tickle - Citrus Oxide
Toddska - Gal From England

----- 60 mins
SP ft Rosita - Right Side
Ill Blu - [mind's gone blank]
DJ Q ft Louise Williams - Over
Roska - ?
Ill Blu - Chelt
Funkystepz - ? [new!]
Ill Blu - Monsta
Selah ft Donaeo - Out My House
Funky Twinz ft Angel J - Smile

----- 90 mins
Ill Blu ft Shanique - Take It Low
Lil Silva - ? [slyly incorporating the 'good life' sound...]
Ill Blu - Meltdown
A1 Bassline - Shock Headed
GuGu - RockAByeBaby
Ill Blu - Alrite Mate
Roska ft Nikki - Energy
Miss Fire - Crazy
Encore - Wind Up (Ill Blu Remix)

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:51 (six years ago) Permalink


r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:52 (six years ago) Permalink

I was gonna namecheck frankendance!

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:55 (six years ago) Permalink

who knows about maverick sabre? is anyone in the world really ready to discuss maverick sabre? i think i'm ready to discuss maverick sabre.

in particular i would like to hear the views of a local garda regarding this preposterous pikey.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 22:05 (six years ago) Permalink

Tell me about him/her/them.

Tim F, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

i saw an awful maverick sabre vid on youtube, awful song too. that's about all i can say.

nultybutnice (whatever), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 22:41 (six years ago) Permalink

11th january ill blu set was the one i highlighted if anyone's got that

― r|t|c

here : http://www.mediafire.com/?2mosm2htqj95hhe

OMG! 'get freaky with you' is such a banger. best funky track of the year, so far? most likely.

rusty_allen, Thursday, 14 April 2011 13:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Been a bit ambivalent about the lurch towards techno seriousness that Ill Blu seem to have taken on their own stuff most recently (e.g. their new single), so it's nice to discover that "419" on this radio set is a marvelous piece of bubbly vocal house:


Tim F, Monday, 15 October 2012 16:49 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

so ill blu have signed to island and have reworked a five year old uk funky track for the first single

apparently the new stuff is influenced by “the musicality of Artful Dodger and Wookie, the bass weight of Shy FX, the sampler’s ear of people like DJ Premier, the soul of Teedra Moses and the future shock production of legendary US R&B producers like Rodney Jerkins and The Neptunes”

sounds promising...my fave recentish ill blu thing is still this though

Benny B, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 18:27 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Loving these MixFresh Series DJ mixes - ploughing a really hyper furrow between DJ Q and deep tech, centred around their own current sound, oddly redolent of Tiefschwarz circa 2004:


Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2014 12:26 (three years ago) Permalink

ha this is weirdly engrossing

i mean i kinda feel somewhat as if i'm listening more intently here than this really deserves, through the prism of past glories... but then all these relatively familiar tracks of the moment in this context make a convincing case that the world really has swung their particular, sparsely muscular way

like everyone plays shiba san 'okay' now but only ill blu were the ones deading the funky vibe with it in 2011 before it ever existed

and the tiefschwarz type thing finally works now too next to spinnin's tiptoe from edm to house n bass with tchami (whose remix of garrix 'wizard' eye-catchingly features here - everyone else will play every other tchami cut) and oliver heldens (one of the new ill blu productions here is p much a 'gecko' refix)

r|t|c, Monday, 9 June 2014 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink


well ok maybe a dash overstated but still, theory goes

r|t|c, Monday, 9 June 2014 17:42 (three years ago) Permalink

tchami (whose remix of garrix 'wizard' eye-catchingly features here

This one is great, yes.

Basically this mix is best when it goes all rifftacular.

Tim F, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:59 (three years ago) Permalink

new single sounds excellent


;_; at the disavowal of the uk funky scene tho

lex pretend, Friday, 13 June 2014 08:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah the interviewer was on some bullshit there too.

Tim F, Friday, 13 June 2014 09:10 (three years ago) Permalink

She seems a bit hung up on UK Funky being "over." It's quite an uninspiring premise for an interview. I'd rather just hear about their new material tbh.

MikoMcha, Friday, 13 June 2014 12:14 (three years ago) Permalink

"In the summers of 2008 and 2009, UK funky was the sound. At Numbers parties in Glasgow, I could barely finish a drink without hearing Jackmaster drop the in-your-face silliness of Piddy Py - 'Giggle Riddim..."

interviewer is clueless, that was a bassline tune, nothing like uk funky

Benny B, Friday, 13 June 2014 12:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Well if you're basing your understanding of what was going on in UK funky on what Jackmaster was dropping at parties in Glasgow...

But you know, seriously, this is the kind of take that would make sense to a lot of people.

It's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy:

"I almost view UK funky as a club tool or a series of motifs, rather than a genre or style in itself. Sort of like what Night Slugs now do with Club Constructions - that's why Lil Silva managed to grow with their camp."

People who never really viewed uk funky as a style in its own right are always gonna see it that way.

But I should stop distracting from the greatness of Ill Blu!

Tim F, Friday, 13 June 2014 12:57 (three years ago) Permalink

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