Least convincing / most lol-worthy aspect of The Weeknd's quick rise to Internet fame

as far as cheap beer goes pb&r is really on the high end of the spectrum

but yeah it has a reputation as a 'hipster beer'

i don't think we have a "hipster beer" in the UK. so either we win, as a nation, or i win for not being aware of it

but then i mostly drink wine or spirits unless i'm hungover

the PBR thing is funny. i thought the whole point of embracing something like PBR was to not give a shit (or show that you don't give a shit) (or both) about fancy foods, having the correct taste, etc. and then this one beer out of maybe 30 common cheap beers becomes the "cool" cheap beer. it's like congratulations, you are shipping the same quantity of tribalist plumage as your peers but are also stuck with shitty beer.

that's pretty much hipsterdom summed up in one paragraph tracer!

like, i never ever get that "omg everyone around me looks the same, talks the same, behaves the same" feeling as much as i do when i'm in shoreditch or dalston

well i think i lot of hipsterdom is actually about giving quite a lot of a shit, and i like that aspect of it! even if people do look the same (my mom was commenting about that yesterday, in london fields. she noticed that most people who were walking together dressed extremely similarly, and the younger they were the more true that seemed to be). it's the brand fetishization of certain willfully crap durables and consumables that kind of boggles me.

UK hipster beer = Red Stripe

yeah I don't think there has ever been a UK equivalent to PBR

which, and I don't say this very often, is a credit to Britain imo

xp nah not convinced

lol red stripe = expensive as fuck over here

Coming from out of London, I'm not so frequently subjected to hipster culture as others, but I did notice this when I was in Farringdon last week. Literally everyone had the same stephawk haircut, same skinny jeans, same baseball jackets, same high-top trainers. Truly weird. I don't have a problem with fashion trends per se, as this is what they are, but it's bizarre that these ostensibly forward-thinking trend-conscious people are so willing to copy each other note-for-note.

definitely not red stripe, only place where that's the definite beer of choice is among jamaicans

maybe it had some exotic rasta cachet in like 1987 but it just seems like one of many just-about-acceptable drink-it-cos-it's-there options to me

You can get Stripe everywhere now, and obviously it's going to have the Rasta-cred thing that hipsters will latch onto. Plus it's as close to a low-qual beer without tasting like pissy Fosters or Carling.

Leffe was the one I was thinking of at first - it's much more expensive, though

http://www.thefancarpet.com/uploaded_assets/images/gallery/668/Back_to_the_Future_Part_II_7838_Medium.jpg

Which thread do we do the awkward shuffling/raucous lolling on when a commercial R&B diva inevitably comes out massively in favour of The Weeknd?

if we've survived kelis cosigning la roux and the beyoncé/sleigh bells rumours, we can survive anything

also insert drake-already-has joke here

Also we don't have "hipster beers" we have "music venue beers", which used to mean Red Stripe and increasingly means either Carling or Tuborg - ie weak piss.

Coming from out of London, I'm not so frequently subjected to hipster culture as others, but I did notice this when I was in Farringdon last week. Literally everyone had the same stephawk haircut, same skinny jeans, same baseball jackets, same high-top trainers. Truly weird. I don't have a problem with fashion trends per se, as this is what they are, but it's bizarre that these ostensibly forward-thinking trend-conscious people are so willing to copy each other note-for-note.

You know this has been true of pretty much every fashion trend man has ever created, right?

btw Beyonce cosigning Sleigh Bells makes up for her being into Grizzly Bear IMO

Tuborg will make you throw up before you get drunk.

everyone here drinks pabst because it is the cheapest beer you can buy is it also the cheapest in the us?

hipster beer = ale tho, right?

sometimes it's tied for price with old milwaukee but you see both around v often

I thought tecate was the new hipster beer

anyway hipsters could have picked a worse beer to latch onto. I suppose PBR is the most widespread cheap beer that doesn't have frathouse connotations. true hipsters go for miller high life.

Coming from out of London, I'm not so frequently subjected to hipster culture as others, but I did notice this when I was in Farringdon last week. Literally everyone had the same stephawk haircut, same skinny jeans, same baseball jackets, same high-top trainers. Truly weird. I don't have a problem with fashion trends per se, as this is what they are, but it's bizarre that these ostensibly forward-thinking trend-conscious people are so willing to copy each other note-for-note.

You know this has been true of pretty much every fashion trend man has ever created, right?

― whelping at his sandpapery best (DJP), Monday, April 4, 2011 12:24 PM (12 minutes ago)

Yeah but it doesn't make as much sense for the trends that arise due to the idea of being against conformity. Makes sense to call those cases out.

It is impossible by definition to have a trend that is against conformity.

what is the 'tipping point' at which enough ppl latch onto something that it becomes a 'trend' and thus 'conformist'??

like, how many hipsters, or what % of hipsters, have to order PBR at a show in order for it to be a 'thing'?

I still drink a lot of pissy cheap beer (primarily the ones available at Trader Joe's). But that's mainly cause I'm poor these days and not because its somehow a cool thing like back when me and my hip scenester krew would drink Olympia and PBR and Hamm's. When I have the money I like a nice IPA in a bottle... or hard cider, I've recently gotten way into those.

Then again, when you have like 5 people together and everybody only has like 3 bucks on them and you all want to get drunk, your only options are cases of canned shit pretty much -- so you seek out the ones that are better than the rest. Ie. PBR >>>>>> Keystone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milwaukee's "Best."

I think it has less to do with trying to be actively contrarian with regards to "proper taste" and more that the correlation between "being a hipster" and "having a minimum wage job" seems pretty high. This is also probably why malt liquor 40s are popular basically across the board with high school/college kids.

Sorry to further derail this thread into beer chat, though...

It is impossible by definition to have a trend that is against conformity.

― whelping at his sandpapery best (DJP), Monday, April 4, 2011 12:49 PM (9 minutes ago)

Yeah! Exactly.

Xpost Tbf, beer chat is more enjoyable and informative than perpetuating the Weekndgate debate.Kronenbourg is my default get-it-anywhere lager of choice.

no one answered my question but i suspect this has a lot more to do with pbr's price niche than hivemind. maybe there is more cheap beer variety in the usa but here there's barely anything with the same value until you take a big step into malt liquor & strong beers. not denying that pabst hipster id is a thing, there are hipter bars that serve pabst here, but unless u expect young ppl to care abt drinking more expensive beer at parties there isnt a huge selection of noncomformist alternatives

When I have the money I like a nice IPA in a bottle

YES <333

everyone here drinks pabst because it is the cheapest beer you can buy is it also the cheapest in the us?

― flopson, Monday, April 4, 2011 12:29 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

not cheapest but down there for sure

pbr thing isn't really complicated:

1) hipsters need a cheap beer
2) mainstream/fratty brands, lite beers, and brands that cost a dollar or two more are out
3) pbr is is a little better than schlitz, old mil, etc.
4) as an added bonus it's a brand with a strong tradition that can be "reclaimed"

ime miller high life was equivalent in terms of test, value, and cache, esp after they redesigned the bottle. the brand that hipsters really missed on is regular coors, which costs about the same and tests much much better.

I'm no expert on this, but the stereotypical London hipster always used to do silly things like strap a pair of sandals to his face or wear a baby dummy or something equally ricockulous and attention-seeking but nevertheless displayed a degree of wanting to stand out from his peers. This maelstrom of fashion insanity seems to have settled down and settled into a uniform style.

xpost I used to be a big High Life stan but these days it gives me headaches like ice-brewed beers do. Don't know whats up with that, but I always preferred the 'champagne of beers' myself. That and Hamm's Golden Draft, which basically tastes like MGD but is like 3 or 4 dollars cheaper.

think cad has figured this one out. hipster tribalism & related hipster as pejorative explanations are rarely satisfying

i think most would agree its p unique for balance of not totally gross & very cheap

all metalheads & crust punks i know drink pbr exclusively

i think most would agree its p unique for balance of not totally gross & very cheap

weeknd?

I seriously thought PBR became a hipster beer because of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4

it probably contributed!

ha I remember in college the actual hipster types would drink Miller High Life

Life would be so much nicer if everyone drank gin and tonics.

xp yeah most ppl i know would drink whichever one was on special at the store.

nowadays i support GANSETT as the beer of all new england hipsters.

lol I ended up with a 12-pack of that after the Superbowl, it was surprisingly tasty

red stripes not so expensive in the US!

In Boston, Narragansett has largely replaced PBR as Cheap Beer of Choice, at least the last time I was at the Middle East and Church. Surprisingly, as close to Boston as Manchester, NH (one hour north on I-93) still has PBR as their cheapest option and yet doesn't stock Narragansett.

yeahh pbr&b has gotta be the worst microgenre neologism ever

and i agree that his hair is terrible

Seattle reverted to type and Rainier (ghastly bullshit) became the cheap beer of choice again, although I feel like Hamm's has been replacing it lately.

nah I love his hair

theres a lot about him thats never benen convincing, much like drake, but who needs gravitas when you have dudes mopeing about having to have sex with tens of models every night over dark synths while cursing unnecessarily to show how much attitude they have beyond the sensitively damaged persona?

I missed out on the fact that Max Martin produced his chart topping single. That guy gets around.

I love several tracks from House of Balloons, but his collective output to date, especially what they play on the radio has been very underwhelming and uninspiring

New album is largely horrible, like a Pick up Artist who wants you to think he's deep.

i'm honestly amazed i haven't read a thinkpiece linking him to PUA/MRA etc culture (and, in a different way, drake)

His hair can be divided into roughly four sectors, each with its own distinct personality (front left: flopped-over moose antler; back left: tiny octopus).

apparently guy-man will only produce tracks for the weeknd at 93bpm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKDU5pXhf5o

The Weeknd has earned it.

somewhat-but-not-entirely surprised to see that the music from his latest album cycle, despite being quite successful, appears not to have elicited any comment on here yet

i still have to roll my eyes a little at the compulsory nostalgic touchstones in all his big '''pop''' hits but "blinding lights" might also feature some of the best production max martin has been involved in for years

I'm impressed by the ambition and I guess audacity of cancelling $100 million in ticket sales for a four-time rescheduled arena tour in a gamble that all those fans and more will again shell out for a future stadium tour.

he's come a long way from the days of free mixtapes

"blinding lights" now #1 all time song on spotify

it's a nasty top 10 anyway and fine to have sheeran displaced from the spot but I can't fathom the missed opportunity of those placeholder mercedes commercial lyrics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-streamed_songs_on_Spotify

So new song with Madonna and Playboy Carti is ok. Probably one of the best Madonna singles in years. Weeknd still sticking to copying styles. Sounds influenced by 00’s Timbaland/Neptunes.

jesus christ! his show is SO BAD! the protagonist pop star has not one thing to do with the way any contemporary artist as such operates; and most importantly. this is very clearly "what noted pop scholar Abel believes about popular music of the of the past 40 years "(utterly on the nose observations re: Prince and Donna Summer) "and the way he would make a boring pop automaton into something REAL and EDGY, via drugs and cults and dirty fucking." and in creating the music boring, wounded automaton Jocelyn makes before Tedros gets involved with her, noted pop scholar Abel fails to make music that doesn't sound exactly like the templates he has popularized for a decade. I am a pretty big fan of his, and I so I do wish that this pitch was rejected…my god, that last scene…

I liked the interview with the journalist scene. that was the only thing really.

hey hipsters remember them what was that about

Oh joy:

Some of the harassment was specific to Temori’s sexual orientation, the lawsuit claims, with one HBO employee allegedly slapping Temori’s butt, blowing kisses, and “commenting about personal and sexual matters.” When Temori began to push back against some of the treatment he was experiencing, Martinez and the lawsuit allege that HBO executives made Temori believe he was being offered a better career opportunity with a role as a script coordinator on The Idol in August 2021. On set, the lawsuit alleges Temori faced similar discriminatory and harassing behavior from The Weeknd and some The Idol producers. But by October, he was terminated. “Higher executives at HBO in the department he was working were pushing this position on him — that they were doing him a favor,” Martinez says. “What he discovered is it was more likely an opportunity for HBO to rid itself of him because it put him in a space where it was easier to terminate or eliminate his position.”