Tangerine Dream S/D

i like the cheesy 80s shit way more than i "should"

It was my first T. Dream album and remains my favorite. I've recently discovered that my city library has a copy of the bootleg box set! Worth checking out.

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/02/tangerine_dream.html

i think "rubycon" / "stratosfear" are the best, though i'm still trying to really absorb "atem" and "force majeure"

Stratosfear is brilliant. as is Atem. And I like Electronic Meditation.

And Ash Ra Temple are great. Not overrated.

"electronic meditation" sounds to me more like those early road cone kraftwerk albums ("vol 1 + vol 2")

Hmmmmmmmmm, I thought I knew "Statosfear" but I'd never heard it before. I don't like it, it sounds like soundtrack music - but not in a good way. They just can't write decent melodies, the melodies they do write are so banal, and the synths are edging towards cheesiness. They still did some good music after this tho.

I prefer mid period Tangerine Dream. Those late 70s/early 80s albums. Lost of great arpeggio synths.

Stratosfear is great!

Wallpaper prog.

S: Edgar Froese's first few solo records. More mellotron, less rock. More pleasure.

I feel like an idiot for not having gotten around to this music. Which albums sound the most like TD trying to be Steve Reich as in the Risky Business soundtrack?

their soundtrack to thief makes every scene feel like it's the big final end scene

Which albums sound the most like TD trying to be Steve Reich as in the Risky Business soundtrack?

I don't know Hyperborea, but I haven't heard anything else from them that sounds like the Risky Business stuff.

"Sequent C'" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.

I love everything they did in the 70s, including the one with vocals.

Just picked up Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear for $5 each at a used shop, finally. I've been waiting for a good point to jump into the TD discography, and this seemed as good a chance as any, so here I go...

cant argue with those albums. You need Force Majeure though.

I'll keep my eye out!

Pity spotify doesnt work in america, theres loads of TD on it. Sadly the 1st 5 arent but the ones you mentioned are on it, most of the other 70s stuff is on it as well as the dodgy 80s stuff.

I've become a big fan of Green Desert over the last few years. It's prime era 70s TD that wasn't released until the mid 80s. And it has DRUMS.

"Dolphin Dance" from the Underwater Sunlight LP is a banger.

man "Lana" is so great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJVouCbneGM

Not much love for my favorite, Hyperborea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxPTjPzTVdM&feature=related

Caveat: the visuals are, predictably, total cheese.

Poland is pretty fucking massive I must say.

i don't suppose anyone's listened to the new one, the gate of saturn?

it finally occurs to me today after many years that "Ricochet, Part Two" is fucking sick

I have been playing the two Virgin box sets a lot recently. I had some of the lps originally but not all of them. You can hear the synth technology getting better as time goes on, but "Hyperborea" is still a classic way to end their Virgin contract. And the Edgar Froese set which came out a few months ago is very very good, his first two solo albums are nearly the equal of "Rubycon" and "Ricochet".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w8pbGz7E8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPfuh6rkAw

I saw the sdtk for Three O'Clock High at the store today and did not buy it. Did I make a mistake?
Something tells me it's gotta be terrible, but I see Tangerine Dream and my brain can't make rational decisions.

i've decided to buy up any TD soundtracks i see. i passed on 'shy people' once and then listened online and realized i had erred. 'three o'clock high' sounds pretty decent from the allmusic samples.

if you haven't heard it yet, get 'firestarter'. pretty splendid.

after 1986, ignore
before 1986, mostly good
before 1983, even better

I normally go by these ^^^ rules but I just didn't feel like this soundtrack was going to be good -- now i am having second thoughts about my second thoughts. i should have just bought it!
i'll see if it's there next time. if so, it was meant to be. if not, so be it.

the post-'86 rule is ok but still, '87:

http://d2oz5j6ef5tbf6.cloudfront.net/cd/large/Near_dark_Varese_VSD_47309.jpg

well i'd buy that on the cover alone without any idea what it sounds like but

this doesn't inspire a similar confidence

http://991.com/newGallery/Tangerine-Dream-Three-OClock-High-537421.jpg

yeah that's an unfortunate cover.

I just realized my itunes library contains 7 different versions of the Keep soundtrack...still shooting for perfection.

Three O'Clock High is a great movie.
I have zero recollection of its Tangerine Dream soundtrack, though.

I went back and it was there! Someone had moved it from the new arrivals but it was still there.
The songs are all really short. Will report back once I've heard the whole thing (am between classes, so this is basically my evening before I go back to work in a few hours).
So far the slower themes are pretty good and have a very pleasantly familiar late 80s incidental music vibe.

It's like the sonic equivalent of Anne Ryan's lite gothy smart/stylish girl look in the movie
http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/262122/262122_large.jpg

I had a pretty big crush on that character when I was twelve.

Or however old I was when I first saw Three O'clock High. I feel like it was on HBO one day when I stayed home sick from school.

She and Michelle Meyrink were like supplemental Andies or Winona's cool older sister. Style icons for the unconventionally attractive.

The soundtrack is...not that good, unfortunately. It's not awful or shameful or anything, but the songs are all really short and don't go anywhere. I guess they (TD) did the best they had with what they had. I don't imagine there was a lot of need for expansive 20 minute journeys into outer space in this movie.

The Thief soundtrack is much better.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2771/4269692309_43b6c89b01.jpg

<swoon>

Yeah, it sounds like playback, albeit a different mix to the LP.

This just popped up on my Spotify:

Probe 6-8 provides a glimpse into the forthcoming Tangerine Dream studio album (due for release in early 2022).

A sequencer driven sound - reminiscent of TD’s early 1970s work - is combined with a lush 1980s crystalline bliss.

The trio of Thorsten Quaeschning, Ulrich Schnauss and Paul Frick has composed and produced Probe 6-8 with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements and Otari Tape Archive (featuring recordings from 1977-2013).

The first track Raum is a nod to the band’s early live studio performances Zeit and Phaedra, utilising a distinctive heavy Moog bass (which marks the beginning and the end of this 15-minute piece).

This new set of recordings also feature two remixes - Berlin-based composer and producer Grand River (Aimée Portioli) has given ‘Raum’ her signature sound and ‘Continuum’ was remixed by Berghain resident and Leisure System co-founder Sam Barker.

decided to listen to Raum (2nd album by the "new" TD, and their 237th overall) and you know what, it's pretty good! reminds me of Ulrich Schnauss, even though Schnauss himself is no longer in the band. I think it really does capture the spirit of the group.

I've always said, 237th time is the charm! Do you feel that Froese was holding them back at all in their later days?

well I can't bring myself to shit talk Froese, but I think there was a tendency for cosmic analog synth pioneers to get lost in the possibility and efficiency of digital electronic music which led them to create a lot of shit directly from their software that sounded like it belonged in a PC game from 1995. it happened to Schulze, it happened to Jarre, it happened to Todd Rundgren, and yeah it definitely happened to Edgar

so I guess I'm not surprised that a revamped TD with no original members would actually sound quite good

The electric violin has been a really good addition for TD.

IMO they were abysmal during the Edgar + Jerome lineup, perked up a bit when Quaeshning (sp?) joined, woke up fully when Schnauss was added for Mala Kunia. I expect to like the posthumous stuff when I get around to it!

there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff

Listening to Raum now, pretty much what I'd hoped for from the Ulrich Schnauss lineup, thanks.

Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.

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Maybe my favorite record of the last ten years is that Subatomic Sound System 'band' remix based on their touring show with Scratch Perry toasting joining in on top. It's released as Lee "Scratch" Petty - 'Superape Returns to Conquer'.

I thought it was a pretty darn good modern updating of some old sounds. I'd loved to seen that group.

I love Tangerine Dream and actually have a bunch of their stuff on vinyl LP and I dug the couple of Ulrich Schnauss cdS I had from early days, I listened to that 'Far Away Trains Passing By' when I was going on the old IDM bulletin boards that came out of MP3.com and Ampcast and Musika.com. I got on a couple of CDR label comps made by people on the boards.

People like Bola and Ulrich Schauss and whatever Plaid was upto were doing were popular records. Schnauss was definitely in that area like Boards of Canada. That kind of stuff was more home listening music like the 70s records than as much for clubs.

Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.

I dunno when the last time they played live was but apparently Raum was "composed and produced with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements (and Otari Tape Archive with recordings from 1977-2013)"

there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff

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whereat, please?

I found a Boiler Room performance from 2018 and a fan-shot video from 2022 in Glasgow

ricochet -> rubycon -> stratosfear -> sorcerer score -> encore -> cyclone -> force majeure

what a fucking run

Stratosfear is the one that's never grabbed me, but I heard Baumann's Romance 76 over the holidays, and it's a very striking version of similar material. The second side of the album features choir and orchestral instruments, almost like a precursor to what Klaus Schulze would do in a couple of years.

Any time Edgar Froese picks up a guitar I recoil tbh

Froese is one of my favourite bad guitarists, I can't excuse it yet still love it

I'm with Tom on this one. It isn't EF's lack of technique that bugs me so much as his lack of style, which is what separates him in my mind from people like Neil Young. But I also think Gottsching wanks entirely too much, so maybe I just have a weird aversion to German electric guitarists who also happen to be pioneers of ambient music

Yes, it's not that he can't play, it's that he rarely plays anything interesting or certainly not interesting enough.

Froese's guitar is not a fount of melody, but I think of him less like, say, David Gilmour and more like the German Ron Asheton, where it's more important to fill a certain amount sonic space with "guitar sound" rather than choose your notes wisely.
On the other hand, I wouldn't say the records of this era are really full of guitar (except side 3 of Encore).

Except Ron Asheton's playing is a good thing in the Stooges. He is definitely trying for Dave Gilmour but falling well short.

Totally disagree about Gottsching by the way, he was an amazing guitarist.

I agree, but he's occasionally excessive, ie side 2 of E2-E4

in 1984 at the age of 16 i saw t'dream on their 'le parc' tour at st georges hall in bradford.
the band were like a bunch of mad scientists behind their racks of machines while surrounded by screens.
then at the climax of the sonic chaos,
edgar stepped away from the machines and let rip re the guitar while the screens all went into overdrive re fire.
basically while the machines and edgar went into overdrive it looked like they were all enveloped in fire.
it was thrilling to the extreme.
so yeah, he may not have have been good guitarist,
but damn,
he was a great showman.

Gottsching is incredible on the Walter Wegmuller album