The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Not at all, Paul. There's something about The Cure and The Preachers that triggers fervour of a disturbing religiosity in people's heads, well, in my experience anyway. And if you wanna put that to the test, gently question a more avid fan and watch them twist like they was shackled to the cross.

Hmm, having said that, I do get riled when someone fails to 'get' my favourite bands and indulges in the kind of mindless attack I have already posted against The Cure. Yet, I feel that certain bands are wont to attract a more dependent following, who hang the band's music like metaphorical rosaries. And I'm not sure that even among my most beloved artists, there are those which I could hold in such equally mindless esteem.

What say you?

Roger fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
If i brooded around and had a aweful voice, would i be as good as the cure, which coincidently, isnt even good to begin with


Hayward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oddly enough, I've never really sought out their albums; I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I'm pretty sure they'll always be available... Pretty much all of their singles, though, are flat-out amazing - how could they not be classic?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The albums are SO WORTH IT, Clarke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm .............

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Pictures Of You
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)


Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink



teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad we are all agreeing that side 3 is fire

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:25 (six months ago) Permalink

These days "Icing Sugar" is the song I'm most likely to put on from that album. So kickass

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:57 (six months ago) Permalink

'Icing Sugar' is one of those tracks that I can remember the music for with the click of a finger, but I can never remember the top line on it. It's a great piece of rhythm section work, kinda their version of a Duran Duran middle 8 circa 1982 or something. It sounds unfinished, though, like there should be more to it. music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 24 April 2017 20:27 (six months ago) Permalink

Thanks for the kind words! Fun to write this.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:02 (six months ago) Permalink

Great article! It's probably my favorite album of theirs for nostalgic reasons, I think I was 14 when it came out and evidently needed "an album to drown in" as you say. Side 3 is great, Like Cockatoos punches all naysayers straight in the chops.

orifex, Monday, 24 April 2017 22:19 (six months ago) Permalink

can never understand why How Beautiful.. wasn't a single. the Bob Clearmountain remix on the box set is a bloody marvel. supposedly Chris Parry wanted him to (re)mix the entire album? i'd like to have heard that.

piscesx, Monday, 24 April 2017 22:30 (six months ago) Permalink

I love Clearmountain's work on Roxy Music's Avalon. I think his remix of Free's 'All Right Now' is great. I loathe that 'How Beautiful You Are' mix, though.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 24 April 2017 22:50 (six months ago) Permalink

'A Chain of Flowers' — quite possibly my overall favorite Cure song.

Austin, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:00 (six months ago) Permalink

'Icing Sugar' is one of those tracks that I can remember the music for with the click of a finger, but I can never remember the top line on it. It's a great piece of rhythm section work, kinda their version of a Duran Duran middle 8 circa 1982 or something. It sounds unfinished, though, like there should be more to it.

I get what you're saying but I feel the opposite. I love the long instrumental and the short vocals in that song. I think it fits perfectly with the theme of the lyrics. It's an unusual melody that Robert sings incredibly, and he tells the whole story with just a few lines. Even the drum-less version from the orange vinyl was very cool.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:08 (six months ago) Permalink

a marvelous read, Ned. You had fun writing it.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:14 (six months ago) Permalink

Darn right!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:34 (six months ago) Permalink

If I could switch any album tracks with B-sides, I would replace "One More Time" with "Breathe" and "Shiver and Shake" with "A Japanese Dream". I'd also try to squeeze "To The Sky" somewhere on the album.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 01:20 (six months ago) Permalink

That Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me is leagues ahead of Wild Mood Swings shouldn't even need to be said, but Wild Mood Swings is definitely another Cure album that would have benefited from having some of the lesser tracks swapped out and replaced with B-sides and trimmed down.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 01:32 (six months ago) Permalink

I latched onto the Cure with Standing On a Beach (note the indefinite article!) and played it along with the B-sides to death, then dove into the albums in pretty much reverse order. My first new release as a fan was KMKMKM and I remember feeling I had missed the peak and they would be diluted from here on, which I still feel really. Disintegration is excellent but feels a little calculated, and Wish snapped the thread of my fandom - I never bought it and have never regretted that; I did enjoy the Trilogy DVD though. The Cure are basically three modes for me - feral pop (3IB, THOtD, The Top etc.), focused angst (the early trilogy and Disintegration) and fan service (Wish onwards). I know, get off my lawn etc.

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kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 03:28 (six months ago) Permalink

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Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 04:38 (six months ago) Permalink


Austin, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 04:43 (six months ago) Permalink

still super-duper looking fwd to my contributor copy of that live compilation put together here!

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 11:12 (six months ago) Permalink

Wait you NEVER got that?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:11 (six months ago) Permalink

Slicing Up Eyeballs is doing a Cure poll at the moment:

It will be interesting to see how the results compare to the one done on this board a couple years ago.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:43 (six months ago) Permalink

The very first time I listened to "The Kiss," I shut it off after the first few seconds thinking the tape was warped. I went back to the record store, told them I had a defective cassette, and they exchanged it for another copy. I popped in my new copy of the album and realized it was supposed to sound that way.

Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me is my go-to suggestion whenever anybody asks what they should listen to as an introduction to the Cure. I feel like out of all their albums, it's the only one which really tried to show off the full range of what they were capable of doing. Well, Wild Mood Swings tried it too (and I actually like WMS), but Kiss Me did it better.

Ex Slacker, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:51 (six months ago) Permalink

Hmm. I'm not convinced it does show off the full range of what The Cure do, but then I'm not sure any Cure album does.

Just like Disintegration is Faith for stadiums, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me just builds on the template set by The Top and particularly The Head on the Door, but twice as long and with filler.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:03 (six months ago) Permalink

I designed the cover for that ILM live comp and also never got one!

orifex, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:00 (six months ago) Permalink

me neither!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 20:03 (six months ago) Permalink

Huh. Okay you three (counting (sic)), contact me -- ned at kuci dot org -- and I'll arrange something.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 21:02 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Hi folks,

An Amazon mix up means I now have two copies of the Pornography and The Top deluxe editions.

I'm happy to send them to the first EU Ilxor who PMs me. This site allows private messages, right?

Sorry non-Europeans, but shipping elsewhere becomes difficult.

Duke, Sunday, 18 June 2017 21:13 (five months ago) Permalink

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