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why is that lol-worthy? its a tad pretentious i admit.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Are they really playing Horsepower in wine bars?

I don't think I've ever been to a wine bar.

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe not winebars. maybe coffee tables.

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

but a lot of dubstep is too dark to please the coffeetable crowd, even if horsepower might do.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I went to a wine bar in NYC with some ilxor's in September. I think they were playing Duran Duran and Journey!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link

also re: "Armani Versace..."

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

I have to disagree. The arrangement is much more whacked out whereas Horsepower is almost nu-jazzy - although maybe it's because I only listen to the dub (can't remember the a-side mix at all).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think of Horsepower Productions as being jazzy or winebar-ish. Perhaps I'm not listening right. I do agree that Versace dub is more weird-y than most of HP's work.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Even the most recent album? Also, the samples would likely preclude winebar play!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, I'm basing this ENTIRELY on their first album and associated singles. I didn't buy the last given the spate of negative reviews.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I actually liked the second one when it came out, but I haven't returned to it. I certainly wouldn't give it a "negative" review. It wasn't very innovative I guess.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Martin Clark is on dubstep's payroll! ;)

dubstep... money... don't make me laugh!

martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't consider dubstep to be a subgenre of grime.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

it isn't. it dates from an earlier strand of garage. dubstep started when El-B and Zed Bias built on Groove Chronicles (which El-B was part of) and Steve Gurley productions.

This is was the beginning of dark swing. As the Groove Chronicles' "1999" and El-B/Ghost's "2000" suggest, these predate the Pay As U Go /Musical Mob strains of dark garage that grime evolved out of in 2001.

martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link

no Forward in january i dont think
this is the line up for the next 2 months

February - Scientist, Youngsta, J Da Flex & mc Crazy D
March - Plasticman, Kode9, Wonder & mc Crazy D

Jon B, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
the more I listen, the more I think Plastic needs to leave. Plus he is pretty shitty personality wize.

i am right (cs appleby), Sunday, 30 January 2005 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Find threads from I Love Music, subject contains 'grime'.

72 results found:

DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
update update ppl

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

new in dubstep worth checking:

dj younsta - dubstep allstars volume 2 - features the massive neverland coming to vinyl on DMZ005 soon - also includes a variety of forthcoming hotness

DMZ004 - Coki - officer &

N-Type - Square Off

the new one from D1 (SOULJA008)

the utterly essential HYP003 - kode9's Kingstown

Benny Ill vs Dinesh & Mark One (VEHICLE5)

very old now but dub child's - voodoo tears it

plus many others - excellent period right now

check mr blackdown and mr dusk's keysound radio mix

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, I got some of those off you!

And jed sent me Kingstown. Dusk and Blackdown's Keysound mix is REALLY good.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Myke you are saint. "Kingston" is really good Prince Far I redux.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah myke thanks for letting me leech offa you like a...leech.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I like rap grime and dubstep grime too.I favorably reviewed the first Rephlex comp in Voice, haven't heard the second. (Even if they were hopping on the grimewagon by calling dubstep "grime," not like they were detracting from rap grime's American hits, cos there weren't none). "Slowed-down jungle" is a paradox, but one that this comp usually uses well, along with others. (Although the first couple of tracks are closer to regular-speed jungle, which may be one reason they aren't as good as the other tracks.)(Not that I don't like regular-speed jungle, sometimes, but these initial tracks aren't good at that approach.)Dubstep on this Grime comp is literally grimey at times, but fun: like joyriding a forklift around in a warehouse you are visiting. (I'm *told it's fun.)

don, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought ilm didn't give dubstep any love? :)

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know about ILM but I'm coming round to dubstep.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm still pretty ambivalent, but there's certain stuff I love. It's hard music to love unless you are going and dancing to it, I think.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Or you could get stoned and listen to Keysound Radio on headphones.


I guess....

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

oh i forgot something - macabre unit's lift off - classic

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, whenever I get my new headphones I will do that.

We'd be remiss not to mention the Plasticman 1Extra mix as well (which I still haven't finished, but which is quite good so far.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I still think the "21st Century Skank" mix that Kode9 put up on www.hyperdub.com (it's still there peeps!) was dubstep proper's pinnacle - begins with Zed Bias's "Ring The Alarm" and it's solid hits all the way through.

I've been accused of abandoning dubstep once grime came along and simply following the dictates of fashion. I'd someday like to write something long and torturous about the kernel of traumatic truth in this: the fact that changes in fashion of this type are sometimes the precise thing which opens up the space to stand back from a genre and perceive its limitations: by the end of 2002 you could make the retrospective argument that dubstep had been the "wrong" microstrand to watch, that "Pulse X" was what was important, but right through the preceding year it had felt like there was a properly dialectical tension b/w dubstep and proto-grime, that the next thing was going to emerge from the interstices between the former's dazzling fluidity and the latter's blocky rigidity.

And this is actually what happened, if you squint: the blocky rigidity simply intensified and mutated itself into something else which on the one hand worked according to entirely different rules and on the other rhythmically pre-empted anything that dubstep might bring to the table (you could say that "I Luv U" was the paradigmatic tune here but I think a better example might be J Sweet, Cameo and Gemma Fox's "Baby" - a pop-grime 8-bar beloved of Femme Fatale which nonetheless contains within it the same sort of razzle-dazzle snare action dealt by Horsepower, Bias or DJ Hatcha at their respective bests). And it really was as-against-this that dubstep began to strike me as somehow insufficient.

There's a sense in which grime actually "ate" dubstep - or at least the bits that I love, that I would insist housed the largest part of its potential - and all of dubstep's developments since then - whether it be mirroring grime or drifting towards broken beat or simply intensifying its "pure" strain in which rhythmic invention is increasingly downplayed in favour of other, less immediately tangible principles (see how dubstep increasingly transplants the "House is a feeling!" catch-cry as its own) - feel like attempts to distance itself from that traumatic experience of cannibalism. The fashionable switch from dubstep to grime was responding to something quite real that was going on in the music i think.

NB. This may be interpreted as a rant against post-02 dubstep but it's not meant in that spirit. There is a lot of stuff in the genre that I really like. Just wanted to give an example (from my own experience) of what might be behind a lot of people preferring grime to dubstep.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Great, I'll bring my headphones and some of that Cali!

The Plasticman mix is good. Release an album, Plasticman!

xp

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim, may I ask if you've heard the Keysound Radio mix on Martin's blog?

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Like some people said in the 60s, "You are what you eat." So Dizzee and Wiley's grime may have eaten dubstep, and it's part of what they did (maybe less so now). To me, dub's shapeshifting trickiness can get predictable, stale, like some old pothead entertaining only himself; stepping ( of the kind R. Kelly gushes over, "It's a way of life!" or techstep, whatever dance-specific music) can seem just as insular in its own way.Dubstep, at its best, or even median,seemed to bring the best bits of both out of their shells. And if rap-grime ate that, hey. Of course rap has broader, deeper associations/appeal than dub or steps, so rap grime, or Real Grime, if you like has more appeal, in some ways (but still no hits over here)

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Adam I have heard the Keysound radio mix - I really like it too! Even the dubstep bits! Esp. the second track, the one after the Kode9 cover of "Ghost Town" with those eerie bits of accordian and eerie ambient sounds - "Indian Stomp" I think. Also Digital Mystikz's "Forgive" when it gets over its dirgey bass inclinations in the first half and goes properly muso with the trumpet and piano and rainstorm. Martin's really good too at constructing a vibe (and in a way his own tracks are the "vibiest" even if they're not necessarily my standout favourites). Having said that when "Win" starts up afterwords I'm suddenly on a whole 'nother level of enjoyment - canny choice of track too, "Win" may be Roll Deep's most "dubstep" moment apart from "Ground Zero" which honestly bores me now.

I think it's actually partly because I do like individual dubstep tracks so much that it really frustrates me that I don't like more of the genre, and it makes me harsher on it than I should be. Dubstep wears it's "I bring you the FUTURE! THE FUTURE! THE FUTURE!" inclinations on its sleeve, so it's easy for it to feel like it's underperforming. The obvious corrolary is techstep/neurofunk '97, where there's a handful of stuff that is among my favourite music ever, and most of the rest I could probably take or leave.

And in the spirit of forgiveness I should make a gratuitous shout-out to my favourite "mid-period" dubstep track, DJ Abstract's "Touch" - which is thoroughly awesome, but maybe I like it so much because it's almost a "proper" 2-step track. Female vocals! And gorgeously syncopated breakbeats, like a mutant hybrid of The Wideboys "Something's Got Me Started (Dub)" with the Zed Bias remix of 2 Banks of Four's "Hook and a Line". And squiggly keyboards!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/breezeblock/

Dubstep lovers, this week's Breezeblock was a dubstep special (programme is streamed for a week), with Mala (Digital Mystikz), Skream, Kode 9 and Space Ape, Vex'd, Hatcha, Loefah and Sgt. Pokes, and Distance.

Tracklisting here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/breezeblock/breezeblock_archive.shtml?20060110

stevo (stevo), Thursday, 12 January 2006 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link

the previous vex'd breezeblock mix is linked to from their website:

vexd.blogspot.com

and their mix from 11th November at Adverse Camber is also worth a listen (but is very quiet)
http://spannered.org/mixes/vexd/vexd_nov11_2005.mp3

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Loefah and DJ Youngsta did mixes for one world last sunday:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/tracklistings/one_world/one_world_tracklistings_live.shtml

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Dubstep wears its "I bring you the FUTURE! THE FUTURE! THE FUTURE!" inclinations on its sleeve

Really??? To me says "I am 1978! 1978! 1978!!!!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

(and that's a good thing!)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

1978?!? explain, pls

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

what i've heard of dub-grime, or whatever, has a huge "jammy" beardo quality to it, which makes me think of classic dub.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm listening to the one world mix now, and do people really say "KAY SEVEN RECORDS" ??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

but seriously, vahid, a whole lot of dubstep that i've heard just sounds like people mixing yabby u over their "spookiest" grime white labels? maybe i haven't been listening to all the right stuff.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

"this plate is exclusive to me
and this ganja here
is exclusive to i"

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i've had a rethink on "dubstep allstars 1+2". when it's pissing drizzly rain, you're smoking cigarettes, too much / not enough coffee headache, driving home through the tough streets of san mateo, spent all day getting abused by teenagers in saggy jeans + puffa jackets - it's just perfect.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Adam doesn't smoke though? ;)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Tracer I meant the entire discourse of the scene more than the actual music. If anything i meant the music falls a bit short of the promises the discourse makes on its behalf - which is not really the music's fault because almost all music falls short of such promises.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

> whole lot of dubstep that i've heard just sounds like people mixing yabby u over their "spookiest" grime white labels?

and that's bad why? 8)

oh http://www.garagepressure.com/ has some podcasts available. it seems that grime has made it to australia.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link

If anything i meant the music falls a bit short of the promises the discourse makes on its behalf - which is not really the music's fault because almost all music falls short of such promises.

i think this really means that the discourse is a self-sustaining thing which doesn't actually need the music input at all.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

koogs i SAID it was a good thing!!

OK maybe that was hasty, though - i just listen to youngsta's mix and it's a lot more than that. veering dangerously close to tranquility bass at times, however.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 February 2006 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
hmmm ... i can't find a copy of "dubstep allstars 1" anywhere!!

pls message me if you'd like to part w/ a copy for a reasonable sum.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

The new LV album's got a track called "Northern Line" which I'll never be able to get out my head when getting on the tube.

What you know about Kings Cross??

Evil Eau (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:41 (nine years ago) link

DESTROY IT ALL

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:53 (nine years ago) link

The Hotflush compilation is quite good, the growing ubiquitous of clubnights playing lolstep in my area not so much

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:20 (nine years ago) link

+ness

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:21 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

http://gotsars.com/images/384cdf0a024c703fa22778c7ed43f4c2.jpg

sam500, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 08:58 (nine years ago) link

that is every kid in Hitchin

broodje kroket (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:02 (nine years ago) link

sans cat of course.

broodje kroket (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:03 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

DESTROY: http://www.nme.com/news/korn/59480

Hills Like White Broncos (EDB), Thursday, 29 September 2011 08:01 (eight years ago) link

probably the first dubstep song i ever liked. \o_o/

crutbeef (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 September 2011 08:27 (eight years ago) link

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/705/779544flvej5.gif

Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 September 2011 21:11 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Can't wait to get this, even though I've heard the Quest tunes a billion times before and the last Silkie album underwhelmed me. These two together are straight fire.

Vahid did you ever hear their Uprooted live set from like 2008? One of my favourite sets ever.

Tim F, Sunday, 2 September 2012 21:39 (seven years ago) link

<3<3<3 Silkie

The Reverend, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:33 (seven years ago) link

yes and i liked it

it's going to sound corny but this is like the jacob's optical stairway of dubstep in places

the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:58 (seven years ago) link

they are synth wizards

the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:58 (seven years ago) link

Yeah Jacob's Optical Stairway are a good comparison.

I think also Bugz in the Attic at their best?

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 05:35 (seven years ago) link

A POX of this vibe (across sub-genres) would be interesting.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 06:28 (seven years ago) link

i'm working on one but i think LHF would be up there too

the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 06:35 (seven years ago) link

sorta think LHF are too good-but-boring?

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 09:45 (seven years ago) link

you heard this yet tim?

IT IS SO FUCKING GOOD

the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:29 (seven years ago) link

I just nabbed it today!

Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:57 (seven years ago) link

good, cause it's good

the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:08 (seven years ago) link

<3<3<3<3<3 this

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 23:15 (seven years ago) link

damn I was just thinking today how Silkie and sully are really the only dubstep I f/w. gotta check that out.

blank, Thursday, 13 September 2012 04:53 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...
four years pass...

Ruff ruff ruff
Beats beats beats

All Loefah DMZ tracks on his Bandcamp now.

I've got my bidet and my pills (Noel Emits), Monday, 23 March 2020 09:43 (two months ago) link


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