This Is The Thread Where We Praise And Canonize Paul McCartney's "Ram"

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I used to love "Hands across the water," or whatever it's called, when I was a kid. I think I'm over it.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago) link

"Back Seat of My Car" is...something.

Ian Grey (Ian_G), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

I think this album is literally a masterpiece.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

Meaning it's horrible?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

No. Anyone read Barry Miles' Many Years from Now McCartney bio? I think that book can turn the head of anyone who thinks McCartney is corny or a moron or whatever. There's an interesting new book called The Unknown McCartney or something that looks pretty interesting also. I think Ram is one of his best albums.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

I'm one of the hardcore Beatles fans around here, but solo McCartney is pretty dismal, in my opinion.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:57 (twenty years ago) link

Have you read that book, though??

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

No. I don't think I'm interested enough.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

Great songs on Ram:

Too Many People
3 Legs
Ram On
Dear Boy
Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
Smile Away
Heart of the Country
Monkberry Moon Delight
Eat at Home
Long Haired Lady
Ram On (Reprise)
The Back Seat of My Car

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

"Plus the Beta Band ripped it off mecilessly on the 3 EPs."

*SNICKER*

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 11 April 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago) link

Smile Away: is a great tune. It's nice to hear Paul get excited.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 11 April 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

ugh. (and props to Miccio)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

It has to perform two miracles.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

Its one of the few things I have on vinyl -- part of my parent's collection.

I tried listening once. It wasn't very good.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

"Yellow Submarine" = Good
"Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey"=Bad?

Me no understand.

"Get Back" = Great
"Eat at Home" = Stinks?

Me no understand.

"Lady Madonna" = Classic
"Monkberry Moon Delight" = "The nadir in the decomposition of the sixties?"

Me no understand.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

I think Ram is fucking classic and the only mccartney solo album I can listen to all the way through. there are moments of cheesiness, yes, but they're outnumbered by some excellent melodies and little bits of genius (I absolutely love the first 30 seconds of Uncle Albert, for instance). Back Seat of My Car, people! And Dear Boy is his best jabbing-at-Lennon song and sounds like it's straight off the White Album.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:18 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

Has 'Monkberry Moon Delight' ever been sampled in a hip-hop track? 'Cause it damn well should be.

G00blar, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

this record is great, my favorite Macca solo work

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Absolutely.

G00blar, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Surely a great album, although he has done several better ones after he broke up Wings again.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Lately I've been wanting to add Big Barn Bed (from Red Rose Speedway) to Ram...it's got the weird catchy pot-smoking Ram vibe so much. I wonder if it was recorded at the same time?

dlp9001, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, it was. I thought I remembered a snippet of it on Ram.

dlp9001, Saturday, 10 November 2007 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

i really like "ram".

the next grozart, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

the album with the bonus song "oh woman oh why" is the one to get, simply cos that song's a really funky stones-y dirge.

the next grozart, Saturday, 10 November 2007 02:12 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Perhaps some will find this interesting, perhaps not...

...but I'm rerecording "Ram" all by myself, track by track. Have a listen!

The Ram Project

Davey D, Monday, 5 April 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't listen right now, but nice idea. I haven't ever heard Ram, i should probably track down the original before checking out your version anyway. Oh, and i've read that book, Tim, it's really good.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 5 April 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

the 2004 posts are nuts. i don't even like Macca all that much but Ram and his first album are great

are we human or are we dancer (m coleman), Monday, 5 April 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that is weird. I don't think the tide has turned on this album in the past few years; as far as I remember it's been considered a classic since the 80's at least. I dont' think it was super well received when it came out but that feeling didn't last long. maybe people were just feeling bad in 2004, what with bush being reelected and the world beginning to suck.

akm, Monday, 5 April 2010 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Ram: the choice of the Obama generation.

Davey D, Monday, 5 April 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah pretty strange to see spittle-flecked contrarianism on ILM eh

its like the Stevie Wonder c/d thread where the first 100 posts are all people complaining about his sappy balladry

modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 April 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice work thus far Davey D!

dlp9001, Monday, 5 April 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

kudos on all those Dear Boy vocals! damn

modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 April 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks! Just finished "Eat At Home," BTW.

Davey D, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.paulmccartney.com/web/guest/news/-/blogs/paul-and-linda-mccartney-s-legendary-album-ram-set-for-deluxe-reissue?_33_redirect=/web/guest&#p_33#top

RAM will be available across a variety of different formats:

Standard Edition: 1 CD digipak Single disc, digitally remastered 12- track standard edition

Special Edition: 2 CD digipak Remastered album and 8-track bonus audio CD including rarities, b-sides and the hit single, 'Another Day'.

Deluxe Edition Box Set: 4 CD/1 DVD box set & download Remastered album, bonus audio CD, remastered Mono album, Thrillington CD, bonus film DVD, 112 page book, 5 prints in vintage style photographic wallet, 8 full size facsimiles of Paul's original handwritten lyric sheets and mini photographic book of outtakes from the original album cover photo shoot.

Hi-Res: 24bit 96kHz files of the remastered and bonus audio CD, accessed via a download code inserted on a card within the deluxe edition package

Vinyl: 2LP 180gm, gatefold vinyl with download Remastered album, bonus audio disc plus digital download of all 20 tracks

Limited Edition Mono Vinyl: 1LP, Remastered mono album

Digital: RAM will be available for download across a variation of digital configurations including Mastered for iTunes and High Resolution


end of may

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 23 March 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

Right...

Mark G, Friday, 23 March 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link

Love this album. So many memories of my grandmother's house in the South of France where she had this record (used to belong to my aunt). Of course, being French, she would mishear a lot of lyrics and on "Another Day" (Paul's single from the time) she scanned the chorus as going: "Sau-sage/Sau-sage/Sometimes I feel sau-sage"...

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Friday, 23 March 2012 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

I want that deluxe edition. I love, love, love this record, and did even as a kid. My father had it, and I think I wore out the binding opening and closing the gatefold cover. (Just as so many kids first hear "Yellow Submarine" as their gateway into the Beatles, I got into solo McCartney as a result of "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey.")

jpattzlovevampz 2 hours ago (Phil D.), Friday, 23 March 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry I missed on the covers project, totally woulda been into that!

One of my friends suggested a full-LP "Ram" cover band for Halloween one year, which sounds like a dream.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

the backlash to the backlash!!!!!

http://www.pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16651-ram/

da croupier, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

Is not wrong.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

Half the album is listenable but "Uncle Albert" was and remains a piece of shit – and I'm the guy who defends Press to Play.

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link

It's strange how UA/AH got to number one in the USA, but never even got released as a single here.

Also that "Back seat of my car" (which is great), only got to 37 or thereabouts. Were the great UK public really so bored of McCartney then?

Mark G, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link

^^^ Drunk talk, you'll regret that later

Bought the deluxe version of this with a gift card I had sitting around from Xmas. It sounds terrific, I've always loved this album. (My dad had it when I was a kid, and I remember hearing it a lot in like 1974-75). The accompanying disc with the singles from the same period is great as well, and mastered so well that, e.g., I hear backing harmonies in "Another Day" that I've never heard before, and I've heard that song at least a hundred times.

it was a dark and stormy genitals. (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link

er xp to Alfred, not Mark G

it was a dark and stormy genitals. (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link

oh I love "Another Day," which nails the domestic vibe that John kinda misses in "Just Like Starting Over."

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link

#26 on the midweeks.

Too late for me, however, I did this review some while back with only the ancient vinyl original to hand.

I like the 'Uncle Albert' part of UA/AH, but I've never really been keen on the 'Admiral Halsey' part.

I've always had a fondness for Ram, although it's probably my 5th favourite McCartney album overall.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link

I always thought "Hands across the water" was pretty damn brilliant myself.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

this album is amazing front-to-back imho

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

third best Beatle solo album behind ATMP and Imagine

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

TOO MANY REACHIN FOR A PIECE OF CAKE

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 December 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link

"monkberry moon delight" is my favorite solo paul song. clearly i am the only one who grasps the true essence of paul.

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 10 December 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link

“Monkberry” was my entry point for RAM. I won’t stan for it now, but it’s an essential piece of an essential album so

Also wtf, the mix and production are perfect! It’s not supposed to be an Eagles record - it’s deliberately RAMshackle.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 10 December 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link

Some folks go so far as to say that Paul invented indie-pop with RAM. I dunno about that. If he did, he did it by accident (he once said something to the effect that the critics ruined RAM for him and that fans made him love it again, which suggests that he wasn’t as sure in his vision for it as it might seem).

I just wish he had other records I could enjoy as much as I do this one. I like my Paul rough & scrappy.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 10 December 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link

I bet Linda did too.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 December 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link

"monkberry moon delight" is my favorite solo paul song. clearly i am the only one who grasps the true essence of paul.

Best song on RAM

Davey D, Friday, 10 December 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link

When was the Cookie Monster first seen on American tv?

piscesx, Friday, 10 December 2021 20:36 (two years ago) link

Wiki says he was in the very first episode of Sesame Street, November 10, 1969, trying to eat a letter "W." Apparently he got his name sometime in the 1969-1970 season, and "C is for Cookie" in 1971-1972. Similar "eating" Muppet characters, with non-cookie themes, appeared in Jim Henson TV spots developed in 1966, with the first one making air in 1967.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 December 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

AM OFTEN MAKING AIR AFTER EATING COOKIE

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 December 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link

sounds like paul imagining what smile was supposed to be like, and not landing too far off

yeah this was exactly my thought about most of the album. also not too far off the vibe of the weird post-smile late 60s beach boys albums & but certainly more fully realised than those

ufo, Friday, 10 December 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link

and thanks karl for the "another day" mention, would have certainly forgotten to check it out otherwise

ufo, Friday, 10 December 2021 23:27 (two years ago) link

my piano was boldly outspoken in attempts to repeat its refrain

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 11 December 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link

didn't mean to be so aggro about this but if you're like "i, a person who likes the beatles and has thoughts about paul mccartney, only like two of the songs on his excellent album ram without qualification," afaic you are trying not to like it. free yourself

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 December 2021 00:35 (two years ago) link

i listen to RAM more than any other Beatles/solo release. it's very hard for me to not feel charmed and inspired by a happy family man living out on a farm making loopy macca music.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 11 December 2021 00:55 (two years ago) link

Some folks go so far as to say that Paul invented indie-pop with RAM. I dunno about that.

How about Paul invented Elephant 6?

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 11 December 2021 01:22 (two years ago) link

Bees are buzzing about my sweet delectable baby
Birds are humming about their big surprise
Who’s your favorite person, dear phenomenal lady?
I belong to the girl with the flashing eyes

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 December 2021 05:24 (two years ago) link

I wanna horse
I wanna sheep

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:03 (two years ago) link

Another Day and Oh Woman, Oh Why are so rad

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:04 (two years ago) link

didn't mean to be so aggro about this but if you're like "i, a person who likes the beatles and has thoughts about paul mccartney, only like two of the songs on his excellent album ram without qualification," afaic you are trying not to like it. free yourself

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:35 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Quoting without further comments

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:07 (two years ago) link

First time I heard this album I couldn't sleep the night because bits from it kept circling round my head

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:08 (two years ago) link

I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but in all seriousness, I don't like disliking music. It brings me no pleasure in having less music to enjoy, especially from someone who's already had a hand in creating so much of my favorite music. I give everything many chances because I don't believe in dismissing any work on the first try, or even the second or third time around. If people see a lot in something, I want to see what they're seeing too.

I've played Ram and really all of Paul's music many times - I still hold on to a lot of it "just in case" and that includes a copy of Ram. Even the worst stuff has something brilliant - a hook, the singing, a great bass line, etc. - and sometimes that feels like a saving grace but a lot of times it's frustrating coming from someone who's capable of delivering the whole package. I'm glad you guys love Ram, it amazes me that it's got a devoted following that swears by it, but honestly, I've never been able to sit through the whole thing without getting massively irritated half the time. I mean, Adam Sandler has his fans too, I can accept that without liking his shit. Meanwhile, I get a lot more out of Band on the Run, Run Devil Run and Memory Almost Full (which tbh I rejiggered with four cuts from Chaos & Creation but that's another story). I like Ram more than a lot of other Wings/McCartney albums, but I just don't see it being this landmark achievement of any kind. Calling it ground zero for indie pop always seemed like an enormous stretch, one that ignores a lot of music from the previous decade.

birdistheword, Saturday, 11 December 2021 08:10 (two years ago) link

I guess that should be "I dislike Ram less than a lot of the Wings/McCartney albums"

birdistheword, Saturday, 11 December 2021 08:11 (two years ago) link

It got dropped during some recent phone upgrade but for about 12 years my iPhone ringtone was the ukulele intro to “Ram On.”

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 December 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link

One of the things I found listening to all the 70s McCartney releases was that the musical quality didn't correspond with any other aspect. You couldn't say, "He's only good when he:
- rocks (or does ballads)
- is serious (or is whimsical)
- is autobiographical (or writes characters)
- sounds familiar (or experiments)
- does rock and pop (or does other genres)"
...because he's done both good and bad material of all sorts. The one thing that unites the bad songs for me is a certain self-conscious attention to effects, like we can see Paul looking over the song with an arched eyebrow, thinking, "This is really gonna get 'em!"

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 11 December 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link

Sure but there’s something about McCartney’s sheer skill as a performer and songwriter that almost always elevates the song above whatever conceit he’s concocted (this is super obvious in Get Back where his farting around on the soundstage is almost always interesting).

I think in part that’s why his work is so easy to go back to and re-examine. The conceit is transparent—“I’m going to do Tin Pan Alley/Buddy Holly//Little Richard/Elvis Costello here!”—but the execution is almost always more interesting in some way, even if not always mind-blowingly so.

Back on topic, I find “Hey Diddle” to be an absolute ear-worm. The sweet blend of Linda’s vocals with Paul’s, the third grade concert recorder interlude, the lilt in Linda’s voice on the line “Ah but don’t you fear/The next time around/She’ll be there.” Even if it wasn’t on the record proper, this thing just feels like the apotheosis of the Ram aesthetic.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 December 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link

'hey diddle; is indeed great, love this record but hadn't listened to unreleased cuts. 'rode all night' is downright weird

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 11 December 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link


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