Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (But This Is Great)

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I've been trying to track down Tower of Meaning, 24-24, and some more of his stuff with Zummo (I only have Experimenting With Household Chemicals.) Anyone on slsk/want to arrange a trade by mail?

stephen morris (stephen morris), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that article is awkwardly written and a little tired, but HE certanily isn't, he's great! haven't listened to much World of Echo yet. My favorite song of his right now is probably Another Thought. i used to love it when he talked about love etc. but now I love it when he talks about the ocean.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what's on Tower of Meaning?

am i the only one that has (has heard) Instrumentals? it's trés boring

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah i have that jaXon. and i agree.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

did you finally get "24 24 music" from dan? is it fantastic? is there a lot of stuff that didn't make it to World of?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

no :( i never got it. hey have you heard that tiger stripes 12"? its siano but russells fingerprints are all over it.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I bet I'd love "Instrumentals", I LOVE boring music

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

while at the emp, i learned that tim lawrence, who wrote love saves the day. is current working on a russell biog.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 03:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't remember that, sorry.

I think one of the pieces on instrumentals is incredibly beautiful. The rest of it isn't nearly as interesting. You know the one, if you've heard it.

There's absolutely a few cool cuts on 24-24 that didn't make it to World of, and remember that the versions of World Of are the remixes, right? The Francois K version of Go Bang vs. the 24-24 version. I have to check that these are different. I recall the album versions being looser. But there's 1 song that totally ROCKS. I'll computerize and post it sometime soon.

Don't forget to aim yr slsk or actual shopping tools at the Loft box-set for it's original version of Is It All Over My Face, recorded as a 13 min hippie disco jam.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Great interview (courtesy Danny Wang) with Steven Hall, AR's guitarist friend here.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like how Steven Hall says Arthur was incredibly forward, and propositioned him the first time they met.

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Funny how AR hung out at the Ninth Circle bar, which Danny Krivit says (in this same issue of Keep On) was owned by his dad! This Steven Hall interview is definitely one of the best re: Russell I've read yet.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ok, i had to yousend this for someone else so i thought i'd post this link here. for me, this is one of the holy grails of arthur's music. i have listened to this so many times and yet i still hear something new each time. it is from a peter zummo lp called 'zummo with an x' and is a 20 minute russell / zummo collaboration featuring trombone, cello, tabla, arthur murmuring and echo. i think this is possibly thee definition of sublime. it is listed on the sleeve as part 4 of 6 and i live in hope that one day the other 5 parts will see the light of day.


stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I found that record at the WFMU record fair in an "art music/downtown" type crate, and still paid some 25 bucks for it. Really beautiful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thank you jd!

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

omg thanks twitch this is gorgeous

(so did 24-24 ever get a commercial release or what?)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seventeen minutes in and LOVING this. sublime is right.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thx stirmonster!

wow this is great!

i'ven never heard arthur russell before....is it all this cool? sweet....

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wow matt go buy the world of... RIGHT NOW (nb: may contain upwards of 50% disco)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

will do....

i ain't scurred of a lil' disco!

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

late last year, dustygroove had boots of 24-24 music, which is about as close as you can get, i reckon.
not sure of the legal situation reissuing it, but i would think Audika could do something about it. i know they are working on the orchestral stuff right now, along with another project.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thanks for the track

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stirmonster you roxxx!

Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Cheers Stirmonster! This track is exquisite!

LRJP! (LRJP!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Merci, twitch!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


I hope this works, Due to the beatuy of the track posted above i felt inspired. Here is Felix. Tiger Stripes, on sleeping bag records. One truly odd dance song.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Who peter zummo? Why don't I know this person? I 've almost finished listening to the song and floor is the only word I can think of. I can only think of 'Soon-To-Be Innocent Fun-Let's See' from world of echoe, that compares.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh man this is gorgeous. Thanks Twitch!

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm dying to listen to both tracks right now!!!...i'm going into a conference room!!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

More thanks for both tracks. Was into Arthur Russell and Sleeping Bag records way back in the day and it's great to hear it again.

drewo (drewo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

So is Russell's "disco" stuff generally preferred to his avant cello, cello+vocals, avant-casio-pop, or other incarnations? I came into him via 'Another Thought' of all places, which is generally similar to 'World of Echo' with a few that fall between the Sleeping Bag and 'Calling Out of Context' sounds. 'World of Echo' is easily amongst my top 5 records all time, out of thousands.

I love it all, really, and it's one of the things that amazes me--he could be considered a genius in numerous (seemingly wholly) disparate scenes/genres. Everything he did seems to have been gold--he even makes the otherwise mediocre rock/pop of the Necessaries shimmer when his keys/voice touch in.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i think his straight in disco stuff is inferior to the rest of his work....but there's that overlap between the disco and avante stuff where he pretty much shines.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm really glad Audika has had so much success. The label owner seems like a great guy--he even forwarded a modest little review I did of 'World of Echo' upon its reissue (which I never dared hope for in years prior) to Arthur's family, and then told me that it had touched them. Bring on the instrumentals cello works!

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was pretty floored when AR's dad wrote me last year to request an old Melody Maker interview I had found (I posted about it on some thread here). He must read ILM or know someone who does!

(xpost) Susan, what would you could consider his "straight in disco stuff"?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Huh. I heard the World of Echo and other dreamy dub cello stuff first and thought it was great. Then I heard Kiss Me Again, Is It All Over My Face, and Tell You (Today) and really nothing tops those for me. I still need to hear the 24 24 Music album though.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Jacobs, thanks for Tiger Stripes! Been wanting to hear it again since I heard it played out at one of Messr. Selzer's parties.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i was thinking "pop your funk" "go bang", and somewhat 'is it all over my face" (which is still a pretty great track)... although those first 2 i believe there were other contributors??

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, Go Bang. I knew I was forgetting one there.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

at the risk of repeating myself...but what about the full length version of Kiss Me Again! It just got bootlegged on vinyl, I think, and has appeared on I think at least 2 recent mix CDs, perhaps in response to the fact that it's been so lost, appearing on neither Disco Not Disco or the World of Arthur Russell. It's really drastically different then the 6 minute edit version on Disco Not Disco. They are both wonderful though.

Also, the version of Go Bang most people know is the Francois K mix, which is a bit more sane then the original version of 24-24 Music.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How can one find this 24-24 music is it a full LP, has it seen a CD release. And who is Peter Zummo?

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's a full LP and has only been bootlegged on vinyl, far as I know, though maybe there's been bootleg CDs.

Peter Zummo can be read about here:


he was a downtown guy hanging out with a bunch of the minimalist types. Interesting to see that Russell appears on his Experimenting with Household Chemicals LP as well, you gonna post that one as well, stirmonster?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thank you for the information about Zummo. There seems to be a market for a lot of this sort of music, perhaps a small one, but enough people want this sort of music I am surprized reissues take so long in coming.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't really "get" the whole arthur russell thing until a few months ago, when I was walking home late one night and listening to the optimo psyche-out mix, and the version of "kiss me again" that dan's referring to came on. it was a revelatory moment.

spruce bruce (haitch), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Speaking of, what do y'all think of Polmo Polpo's cover of Kiss Me Again?


gnippiks, Friday, 19 August 2005 04:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Tiger Stripes" is...wow!! thk U very much. afraid to listen to zummo track or polp's cover yet. tiger stripes made me think again (sorry) about those talking heads guitars. what is up with that? -i want to know finally. is there a common denom. to both a.r. and byrne's sound...someone else? someone preceding them i don't know about? or is one stealing from the other? not sure why i care...maybe b/c it fits so well with what ar was doing and i REALLY like his stuff but barely have liked t.h.'s stuff. ---- except a few tracks which feature these bouncy keyboard sounding guitars.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the bside to tiger stripes i can't hold you is great too...will dig out and post

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I only have the A side for tiger stripes, I would love to have the flip side. About the Talking Heads, I believe Arthur Russell was on the verge of joinning the band at one point, and David Byrne Did play guitar on Arthur's muisc. Exactly which song I've forgotten. For years I have felt like I should like talking head, and have listened repeatedly to most of their albums with no luck. I just can't seem to like their music. I admire David's promotion of different gobal music, and have like his brazilian classic comp. If someone could explain their music to me maybe....

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"More Real" on that is one of my fave Arthur tunes. Absolutely amazing and so shifty.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 28 July 2017 17:57 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

A lot of unreleased stuff on this weeks RA podcast

Tracklist /
Arthur Russell - Another Thought
Arthur Russell - See Through
Arthur Russell - Unknown/unreleased (from World Of Echo test pressing)
Indian Ocean - Unknown/unreleased
Arthur Russell – Unknown/unreleased (from World Of Echo Test Pressing) (Soon-To-Be Innocent Fun / Let's See??)
Arthur Russell - Hiding Your Present From You
Arthur Russell - This Is How We Walk On The Moon
Jah Wobble / The Edge / Holger Czukay - Hold On To Your Dreams
Lola - Wax The Van
Arthur Russell - I Like You
Indian Ocean - This Is How We Walk On The Moon (Unreleased version from Sleeping Bag Test Pressing TLX-3)
Arthur Russell - Hop On Down
Arthur Russell - You And Me Both
Arthur Russell - Wax The Van (with extra dubbing by Dan Tyler)
Loose Joints? - Let’s Go Play Baseball?? (Unreleased acetate)
Loose Joints - Is It All Over My Face (Female version)
Nicky Siano - Tiger Stripes (Re-Edit)
Loose Joints - Tell You
Arthur Russell - See My Brother, He's Jumping Out (Let’s Go Swimming #2)
Indian Ocean - Schoolbell / Treehouse
Dinosaur - Kiss Me Again (Unreleased Japanese version)
Dinosaur L - Go Bang (Unreleased version from acetate)
Loose Joints - The Only Usefulness (Unreleased acetate)
Arthur Russell - Lucky Cloud
Loose Joints - Pop Your Funk (7-inch version)
The Necessaries - The Finish Line
Indian Ocean - Untitled/unreleased (from Sleeping Bag Test Pressing)
Arthur Russell - A Little Lost


I am using your worlds, Monday, 16 October 2017 11:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Possibly the greatest RA podcast yet.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 16 October 2017 12:19 (one year ago) Permalink


sleeve, Monday, 16 October 2017 14:18 (one year ago) Permalink

These unreleased tracks are SO GOOD

paolo, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 07:51 (one year ago) Permalink

yes they are!

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:05 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, pretty cool that there is still stuff this strong in the archives! this one sent me back to a very old beats in space show w/ some other unreleased stuff: http://www.beatsinspace.net/playlists/440

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

If anyone wants this to listen to on-the-go I can Dropbox it. They stopped the download facility on it.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:08 (one year ago) Permalink

i would be into that ...

tylerw, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:16 (one year ago) Permalink


by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I'll upload it overnight and post the link tomorrow.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:40 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks. I subscribed on iTunes just for this but was too late for the d/l if there ever was one

Jeff W, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:42 (one year ago) Permalink

There was for a bit.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:43 (one year ago) Permalink

As far as I can tell they changed it because they didn't want unreleased tracks to be available at a decent quality. I get and don't get the politics of that but I can't imagine it would apply to anyone here, regardless.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:45 (one year ago) Permalink

thank you thank you. this mix is incredible.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:59 (one year ago) Permalink

That old Beats In Space show with Ted Knutsen is a gem as well

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 27 October 2017 08:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Steve right?

dan selzer, Friday, 27 October 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Steve! Yeah, it is great — that hip hop remix is awesome. Is there any more of that kinda thing floating around?

tylerw, Friday, 27 October 2017 13:59 (one year ago) Permalink

sorry, I forgot to post the link, here it is an an mp3

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 27 October 2017 20:49 (one year ago) Permalink


Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 27 October 2017 20:49 (one year ago) Permalink

thank, man!

tylerw, Friday, 27 October 2017 22:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks so much Jed

albvivertine, Friday, 27 October 2017 23:21 (one year ago) Permalink

you're welcome!

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 27 October 2017 23:39 (one year ago) Permalink

xp doh sorry Steve Knutsen, Audika dude.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Saturday, 28 October 2017 08:20 (one year ago) Permalink

Jed you legend <3

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 28 October 2017 19:37 (one year ago) Permalink

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