Neil Young On The Beach Reissued On CD

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What other NY record is On the Beach comparable to?

I don't think it's very comparable to any of his other records. Yeah, it always gets lumped in with others as part of his "Dark Period", but a song like "Revolution Blues" is probably one of the most st8 ahead rock tracks he ever did and the title track is a prototype for Slint's Spiderland (or, keeping with NY's own work, "Like A Hurricane" and "Cortez the Killer", only more subtle). There's three different batches of songs, done with three different producers/line-ups, so it doesn't really have a same-y feeling throughout that would let you compare it to the other albums.

Ah, what the Hell, I'll just say it's a more rockin' Tonight's The Night, for argument's sake.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

American Stars 'N Bars - I like it, just got it on vinyl a couple weeks ago. Don't really understand why it's so maligned.

hstencil, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, ASNB is pretty decent. I've got the vinyl too.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

The best part of On the Beach is Levon and Danko. They sound great with Young. And here in NYC a OtB bootleg is easy to find, and it's coupled with a 7-track (?) BBC session that's really great...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

Yanc3y - is that BBC one the Whistle Test special from around 72 or 73 where he starts blathering on about having "dual BBC cups"? I've seen that on the telly and it's funny as hell. He looks extremely stoned, but sounds great. I'm trying to remember the songs - he certainly does 'Don't let it bring you down'.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

I thought "Time Fades Away" was out of print too. It also should be reissued.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

Oh wait, remaining "studio albums" will be reissued. My bad.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

I think that's the one, JB. Here's the tracklist of the BBC cuts:

Out on the Weekend, Old Man, Journey Thru the Past, Heart of Gold, Don't Let it Bring You Down, A Man Needs a Maid, Love in Mind, See the Girl Dance

Also, "See the Sky About to Rain" and "On the Beach" are probably my two favorite Neil Young tracks (with "Though my problems are meaningless/That don't make them go away," being my fave NY lyric).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

hurrah, abt bloody time too, etc. (re OTB reissue)

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

What about that archive/mega-boxset thing he's supposed to have been working on for the last 3 or 10 years?

blutroniq (blutroniq), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

"American Stars 'N Bars - I like it, just got it on vinyl a couple weeks ago. Don't really understand why it's so maligned."

While this album does have "Like a Hurricane," it also features some pretty goofy filler, like "Homegrown" and "Bite the Bullet."


My favorite OtB track is, hands down, "For the Turnstiles."

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

'ambulance blues' is an utter neil classic that will finally be heard by the masses. i'll keep my vinyl copy, but thank god this is coming out.
cd reissues of 'journey through the past' and 'time fades away' must happen next....

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, "on the beach" is neil's bleakest record. i love it. found a copy for $2 in nashville back in 95. really upset me through those college years.

mosurock (mosurock), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

I liked "Homegrown!"

hstencil, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, "Homegrown" kicks, in a Dukes Of Hazaard kind of way.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

Best lyrics ever: "I need a crowd of people / but I can't face them day to day." On the Beach is an outstanding record. The others are good too.

Is Everybody's Rockin' actually on CD? And come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen Life or Landing on Water on CD either, but I could be wrong...

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

wtf?!? Homegrown and Bite the Bullet are two of my favorite songs on the record! Nothing like a bunch of stoned, mean hippies playing thud-rock. I don't get the bad rep for ASB either, I definitely prefer it Zuma and Comes a Time... the country songs are nice and sweet, the rockers are smokin', and it's got one of his bonafide signature tunes, what more could you ask for?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, I wasn't expecting this kind of grassroots support for what I remember as confused stoner nonsense. I'll have to give ASB another listen based on these reactions.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:48 (twenty years ago) link

out of print records tend to do just that. it's a funny thing.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

Life and Landing on Water were reissued as part of Geffen's discount series; the price point was about $7. (The Raincoats were part of this series for a while too, before their records went out of print in the US.)

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

(Aren't those two records universally agreed to be Young's blandest? I don't mean "worst," since bad can be sort of interesting.)

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

The only Young records I don't own are the five from Everybody's Rockin' through This Note's For You. Oh and the most recent two or three. One case where I guess I just lazily took the critical consensus at face value. I'm thinking lately I need to hear Old Ways.

I wonder if Neil saw this site? Some of the petition entries are great. Haha - I just randomly clicked on February 2002 and saw that I had signed it. I don't remember doing that, I was probably drunk.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

landing on water is just plain puzzling, with second-rate songs and third-rate '80s production. life is a bit better, and is almost worth it for its one great song, the garage-rock anthem "prisoners of rock 'n' roll."

old ways isn't completely terrible, but it IS completely mediocre. you'll play it for a couple days out of curiosity and then never, ever see the need to play it again. it's not one of neil's top five country-ish records, that's for sure.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

(Aren't those two records universally agreed to be Young's blandest? I don't mean "worst," since bad can be sort of interesting.)

Life is marred but the songs are getting better on that one, then he pulls out the greatest off key singing for Prisoners of Rock n Roll.

Landing on Water is more like a poor 80s Bowie record then a Neil record.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

Neil Young records I do not own:

Mirror Ball (sold in disgust)

Life (had it on tape but gave it away to a curious newbie)

Landing on Water (and have only ever heard side one)

Time Fades Away (which I gave to my uncle as a xmas present because he seems to think it's the rarest record ever and he's a big fan. I can get it if I want it and he certainly wanted it more than I did, though it is a great record).

Broken Arrow (sold when strapped for cash - taped "Music Arcade" first)

I do own "Everybody's Rockin', but for the life of me I have no recollection of acquiring it at any point. I have and love all the rest in varying degrees, except "This Notes For You," which is without merit. Anyone want a copy of it on cassette?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

Let's shall we review all of Neil's later catalog - or at least the spotty ones:

1983 Trans - no review necessary. You either love it or hate it. I love it.

1983 Everybody's Rockin' .. Haven't heard it since 1984 .. but I liked it at the time. It's not "On the Beach" - but it's not bad ...
1985 Old Ways - Only listened to it once or twice .. never sparked much interest.
1986 Landing on Water - totally forgotten.
1987 Life - forgettable - Inca Queen was alright - the songs didn't seem that great, the production definitely wasn't. (Remember Eric Clapton's "Behind the Sun"?)
1988 This Note's for You - I remember thinking "Neil's Back" when I heard this in '88 - haven't heard it since.
1989 Freedom - Neil's truly back.
1989 Eldorado -?
1990 Ragged Glory - the crazy horse harmonies get on my nerves on this one .. but the songs are solid
1992 Harvest Moon - Great record that gets less great with age.
1994 Sleeps With Angels - gave up on new Neil records...
1995 Mirror Ball - "" ""
1996 Dead Man - No vocals, so a totally different animal.
1996 Broken Arrow - listened to once. Should I drag it out again?
2002 Are You Passionate? - haven't heard it except for streaming audio.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

you're forgetting Silver & Gold (2000) -- which is of course extremely easy to do.

not to mention the brand new one, Summer Sun. (or was that a Yo La Tengo record? i can't remember.)

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

i think sleeps with angels is decent....silver and gold was pretty mediocre but it had a good tune "razor love".... i haven't really heard much of these "spotty" ones beyond that.

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

I think Broken Arrow is underrated. At the time it just seemed like More Crazy Horse, especially since the first three songs are Looooong. But it's noteworthy as the happiest, most sit-on-the-porch-but-the-amp's-still-on album they have. Plus it has Music Arcade on it. Mirror Ball has "I'm The Ocean" on it, if little else.

I didn't like what I heard on Silver & Gold, way too slow. And I haven't heard anything off Are You Passionate. But After revisiting Broken Arrow I'd like to hear it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

(Can we have some Neil Young hate? Or is this a love-in? Or is Neil Young hate kinda played out?)

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

It's a love-in. Who's got Neil Young hate?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Err, me.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

then elaborate, bro! I'm curious to find out what Neil Young hate reads like.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, it's just the usual boring pre-emptive, guessing of fans' intentions, fear of the future, guitar-love, boringboring-didImention-boring lyrics rubbish. My hate of Neil is a projected hate from a perceived notion of his fans.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

For some reason though I own ALL of his albums.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

How Wagnerian!

4mateurist (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Pardon me?

the real amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

Ragged Glory came out when I was 13 or so, and I remember thinking it just plain ROCKED at the time. "Farmer John," "Fuckin' Up" and "Over and Over," esp. Definitely one of those, "Man, this is good, and I think even I could play THIS" moments. I started playing music shortly thereafter. While it doesn't hit me nearly as hard when I listen to it now, I still hold it in pretty high esteem.

Isn't it true that Geffen sued Neil Young in the '80s, circa Everybody's Rockin' and Landing on Water, for not sounding enough like Neil Young and therefore breaching his contract? I heard this somewhere and thought it was pretty funny. "Look, Mr. Young, we want another Harvest and we want it now! Put down the Vocoder!"

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe you guys don't like Silver and Gold. That album is a must on the road trips, man. I guess I just like Neil in slo-mo mode (I also love Harvest Moon).

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

Is it as slow as "Helpless." Because that song is a fucking miracle.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

freedom really hasnt aged well to me all,used to love it, played it the other day the chessy synth and backing vocals...awful. mirror ball if only for the lyrics on Im the ocean, sleeps with angels/ broken arrow both underated to me.as for the cd releases, alleluia.

Kiwi, Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:29 (twenty years ago) link

freedom definitely has some clunkers (worst is probably "Someday," at least partially because when he says "Rommel" I can't stop thinking about Side Hackers), but I think most of side one, "Wrecking Ball" and both versions of "Rockin'" hold up great.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Ok, so what does everyone think of the new reissues. i picked them all up yesterday.

"on the beach" is of course fantastic, ive had it for some time on a cdr bootleg ripped from someone's vinyl which was a little grainy and played slightly too fast probably due to the turntable it was ripped off being just that little bit too fast as well. but i still loved the songs even then, everyone of them means something special to me and i often listed it as my favorite neil young album even though i only had that crappy cdr. of course the remaster is a big improvement in terms of quality (a great remastering job, looks like theres been a lot of effort put in, it sounds alive!), and i love it. if you havent heard it before, now is the perfect time.

and now onto the 3 lesser known and sometimes critically dismissed records that i hadn't heard before, ive tried to do mini reviews:
"american stars and bars" - i like this a lot, a lot of country rockers, all of them pretty good i think ("old country waltz" is a lovely opener i think). and the second half of the record is even better than that, "star of bethlehem", "will to love", the already well known "like a hurricane", and "homegrown" all classic i think.
thus all in all a good album, and the second half is classic.

"hawks and doves" - i like the first and mostly acoustic half of this record, "little wing", "the old homestead", and "captain kennedy" are all pretty lovely. the second half, mostly country rockers (which feel a bit second rate compared to the ones on american stars and bars) hasnt made much impression on me yet, i think theres supposed to be some sort of political context to the songs "union man" and "hawks and doves" but its difficult to make out how serious neil is. i need to listen to these songs again, but to me the second half seems a bit meh.

"re ac tor" - certainly not neil and crazy horse's best, but i enjoyed it still, i actually rather liked "t-bone", its a good metaphor for my life "Got mashed potato, aint got no t-bone"... most of it sounds like neil and crazy horse just whacked it out in a few hours in a garage, and sure theres a certain tossed off element to it, but often gloriously so, the band plays it very loose, and they just jam out the songs. sure a lot of them aint lyrically expansive (although "shots" is quite deep and is an absolute gem of a song, probably best on the album) but for a lot of songs it works, on "opera star" and "surfer joe and moe the sleeze" the lyrics are simple but say everything they need to say. "rapid transit" is a little disappointing, i think its trying to make a point about the "new wave" movement, but the music is too stuttering for it to fit crazy horse's playing and it just doesnt really work. but all in all, i liked this album, its not classic but i think its rather underrated. mind you, if you arent interested in neil and crazy horse doin good long jams, then you probably wont get as much out of it. but i do.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

of course these are just initial opinions (other than with "on the beach" which ive had a vinyl rip on cdr for a long time), ive given them all a good few listens, but my opinions may evolve slightly over time.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

'will to love' is breathtaking... it really has the spook.

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
I picked up "Hawks and Doves" and "On the Beach." "On the Beach" is devestating and beautiful all the way through. However, I'm at a total loss as to why no one else seems to appreciate the greatness of "Lost in Space", (track 3 of H/D). That song is absolutely classic and by far the best thing on that record.

theodore fogelsanger, Friday, 9 January 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

on the beach has that one awful blues, vampire blues or whatever

and the lyrics on the last two tracks still bug me even though i love the arrangements

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

Zuma is definetely his best work.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

i love vampire blues! and the lyrics on the last 2 tracks are close to being my favorite neil young lyrics ever! horses for courses i guess

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

even the "we can get together for some scenes" stuff? ugh.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 January 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

can I praise David Crosby for his electric rhythm work on "Revolution Blues"?


that’s the croz?! wow, that’s wild - he should have rocked out more, that’s some impressively prowling, snarling guitar

Rhythm guitar not the guitar solo. He was always a good rhythm guitarist.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:42 (five years ago) link

yeah, i got that - the solo is obviously neil, i was just taken aback that croz is playing the hairy rhythm guitar

pretty sure Crosby plays rhythm on "Cowboy Movie" which is nice gnarly & chunky

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 10:59 (five years ago) link

neil has an endless number of lyrics that are sort of banal but also somehow incredibly moving and deep and full of meaning to me

these are all the best lyrics imo

ogmor, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 11:03 (five years ago) link

It can change you in the middle of the day

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 11:08 (five years ago) link

I think the main rhythm guitar figure in Revolution Blues, the spidery, scratchy one, is still Neil. There's another, muddier one behind it that's probably Croz playing chords. If you listen, the main rhythm guitar drops out right before the solo. There's even a little pause where Neil sounds like he's just taking a second to stomp on his pedal. Either way, not knocking Crosby, but I suspect all the more noticeable guitaring is Neil.

wump, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link

i feel like #Croz - If I Could Only Remember My Name is the sister album to On the Beach (at least in my mind)

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link

totally

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link

I'm a vampire baaabe

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link

the sleazy dragging lethargy of vampire blues is so great, like the whole band is fighting its way through tar from start to finish

amazing anti-guitar-solo too

He's one of those rockers of that generation who tried mightily to avoid 12-bar blues, so when he succumbs it's kinda cool.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link

would love to hear just raw session tape from On The Beach.
crazy that neil has only played "motion pictures" live once! maybe he'll dig it out in boston tonight.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link

Maybe this is in "Shakey", I can't remember, but is Neil having CROZ playing on Revolution Blues some kind weird twisting the knife cuz weren't CROZ & Stills (and probably half the rock stars in Topanga Canyon circa '69) convinced that they were on the Manson Family hitlist?

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link

I don't know what the fuck about "Revolution Blues" apparently scared Crosby to death – might be coke paranoia.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link

yeah i think stills and croz went out and bought shotguns or something after the manson killings.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link

xpost I imagine this line

"Well, I hear that Laurel Canyon
is full of famous stars,
But I hate them worse than lepers
and I'll kill them
in their cars."

wasn't CROZ's fave

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link

ask him on Twitter

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link

If he just blocks me does that mean he really was scared?

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link

David Crosby = worst Byrd

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link

In contrast, didn't Neil say Manson was kind of an OK guy?

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link

(xp) Have you heard those songs Skip Battin wrote with Kim Fowley?

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link

I don't know what the fuck about "Revolution Blues" apparently scared Crosby to death – might be coke paranoia.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, July 11, 2018 10:23 AM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think crosby was tight w/terry melcher, and obv neil had hung w/manson and dennis wilson...

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link

Crosby's father was an award winning cinematographer, their family was very much in the film industry, which was one of the Manson cult's big targets. he straddled the line -- like many artists -- between old money and youthful revolutionary. pretty understandable that he would be scared when people are being brutally murdered.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Crosby

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link

Was just listening to the title track and although the ramble of it, the repetition, would probably make Auden blush, it did make me think of sections of the Age of Anxiety:

... The fears we know
Are of not knowing. Will nightfall bring us
Some awful order - Keep a hardware store
In a small town... Teach science for life to
Progressive girls -? It is getting late.
Shall we ever be asked for? Are we simply
Not wanted at all?

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:57 (five years ago) link


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