s&d: justin timberlake sporting an mc5 tshirt on the cover of vibe this month

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badly drawn boy is the woody allen of pop.

the whole thing shows up people over the age of 20 who wear band shirts as an expression of cool 4 the style-as-cred obsessed dolts they are.

masonicboom (suzy), Saturday, 4 January 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

*hurriedly removes huggy bear t-shirt and hunts for shirt and tie*

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 January 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm so uncool it never occured to me that my MC5 t-shirt suggested i was a 'style-as-cred-obsessed-dolt' mental note to wear it more often.

stevo (stevo), Saturday, 4 January 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think it would be plausible for justin to be wearing the mc5 t-shirt. i mean, really, now....he was on the mickey mouse show. what a cess pool of talent from that season, christina aguilara, britney spears and justin timberlake!!

could it be because mc5 were white panthers and justin could concievable showing the links between his music and background and his links with nerd?

it's a classic cover, though. aesthetically. though i would prefer it if he were wearing a rocket from the tombs t-shirt.

doom-e, Saturday, 4 January 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Blue-eyed soulman" wearing t-shirt with White Panthers iconography against bleached-out background on the cover of a black-identified music magazine = irony.

The cover is the cutest I've ever seen him.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 4 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Uh, what doomie said.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 4 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think the cover makes me like justin more. i mean, he could have easily worn some urban music shirt. i don't dig nsync but damnit, the justified singles are damn funky.

doom-e, Saturday, 4 January 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark, Badly Drawn Boy doesn't really move me one way or the other.

Doomie's home! Hooray!

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 4 January 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

woohoo! thanks suzy!

news year eve was strange, i was at a company party thrown by my brother in law, boring as hell though nobody took me up on my suggestion that we should have a key party! bahahahah!

doom-e, Saturday, 4 January 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

in canada there was a documentary about britney and they showed footage of the mickey mouse club, with christina and justin and dammit, i know that he was a kid but it's going to take a WHOLE LOT OF FUNKINESS to erase the vision of them doing eddy grant's electric avenue...

doom-e, Saturday, 4 January 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

alex you need to get over some hang ups.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 4 January 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justin probably doesn't actually listen to MC-5 because they're godawful!

original bgm, Saturday, 4 January 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

"electric avenue" is fucking classic

, Saturday, 4 January 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

"alex you need to get over some hang ups."

What you call a "hang up" I call a "raison d'etre".

"why on earth wd JT not know who the MC5 are?"

`Cos he's fuckin' twelve!

"he probably reads abt them the same places the rest of us do"

Really doubt that.

"...and i'm sure he has BETTER access to free records"

Maybe so, but when was the last time there was a re-release by the MC5?

"alex's logic is (presumably) that, if JT had ever listened to the MC5 seriously (and likes them) he wd not be able to pursue the career he pursues"

Not exactly. I'd suggest that if JT listened to the MC5, he'd probably think: "whoa....this is not my scene," and thus wouldn't associate himself with it.

"but this makes no sense at all — or at least, no more sense than the claim that alex can't ever have listened to the MC5 (and liked them) or *he* wd not be able to pursue the career he pursues!!"

This point makes no sense, Mark, as you negate the possibility that I could appreciate the music of an artist without necessarily supporting every belief the artist in question espoused (classic example: Jaz Coleman's fixation with the occult, numerology and permaculturalism.)

"THE ONLY PEOPLE ALLOWED TO WEAR MC5 T-SHIRTS ARE REAL ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THE MC5!!"

No, only people who *APPRECIATE* the music of the MC5 should wear MC5 t-shirts. Pure. Simple. Succint.

"some of them work on Wall Street, some of them are cops, some of them wear smoking jackets and read proust) (the last is how i imagine alex)"

Don't smoke....thus I do not own a smoking jacket (as that would make me a poseur in the eyes of smokers. God forbid!)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 4 January 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

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jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 4 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

The shirt is obviously a subtle, complex, and effective wink-wink to the things Doomie and Michael pointed out above.

Clarke B., Saturday, 4 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

(come on people that's twice now!)

alex you're posing smoking in any jacket

jones (actual), Saturday, 4 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shirtless Justin could bear more discussion here.

Adam A. (Keiko), Saturday, 4 January 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://content.rollingstone.com/content/2044961/Images/00316243.jpg

Adam A. (Keiko), Saturday, 4 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Personally, I think the fact that it's an MC5 T-shirt is incidental to what the stylist and Timberlake intended. I can picture said stylist scouring vintage clothing stores and hipster boutiques looking for clothes with a certain cachet. And Timberlake is wearing the T-shirt because it suits the colour scheme of the cover. The magazine's audience doesn't know the MC5. The T-shirt doesn't imbue the popster with any extra credibility in regards to this audience. If that was the intent, he would be better served by an Ultramagnetic MCs T-shirt or something.
Ultimately, the shirt is just something white, red, turquoise and purty looking for the cover.
I am, however, looking forward to N*Sync's cover of Rocket Reducer No. 62 (Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa).

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Saturday, 4 January 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe it's the stylist intention to connect the white and black cultures within the group through the use of the t-shirt. there is a subtle context there. i doubt that in a world full of t-shirts out there that the stylist picked out that one. i think it's cool. it would not be so cool if it was coooper temple clause. cause that would be obvious.

doom-e, Saturday, 4 January 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the mc5 sucked ass. I think j timberlake is a fine-looking fellow, but his rekkid sucks ass as well, so it's kind ov hard for me to gett worked up abt this. I tried to imagine JuSTin'Z stylist handing him a Peter Hammill t in an attempt to empathise wif yuo emmceefive luvvaz, but I just couldn't imagine such an event.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 4 January 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

i can't really imagine ANYONE wearing a peter hammill t, tho i can imagine a song PT wrote about the despair he wz thrown into when he saw someone wearing one

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 January 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha when i saw him they were selling them but i didn't buy one. When i worked in the rekkid store my co-worker was a hammill fan as well, & he wore one. He got chatted up by a female hammill obsessive! (but was too wuss to reciprocate)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 4 January 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I still think the Shania Ramones masacre is worse.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 5 January 2003 00:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Maybe he DOES actually like the MC5 - I wouldn't put much of anything out of the question after this.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 25 January 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I own that shirt (well, actually it's the black version and not the white one). I wear it often. Are people going to think I'm trying to look like Justin Timberlake? Or are people going to think I like the MC5? Or are people going to think I'm a poseur wearing a shirt of a band I don't know? Or are people going to think I'm wearing it "ironically"?

Conclusion: who gives a shit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 25 January 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

how different is this, I wonder, from Sonic Youth wearing Madonna and Springsteen t's in the mid-80s?

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cuz they were doing it *ironically*, no?

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh yes of course that's it duh. [slaps self]

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Wayne Kramer speaks out in favor of Levis & Justin Timberlake.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh my god, how did i miss this thread? i gots a new wallpaper.. oooo-weeee!

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

"why on earth wd JT not know who the MC5 are?"

`Cos he's fuckin' twelve!

Not trying to be contrary, but I knew who MC5 were when I was twelve, and I wasn't even into music at that point.

Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Thursday, 20 March 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nice article from Kramer, actually. And apparently in a major lack of surprise the whole Justin-shirt thing -- this from Chris Barrus in a post a few days ago -- was indeed some sort of marketing tie-up, yay hurrah snore.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 March 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Theoretically Justin in an MC5 t-shirt is dud because Justin in *no* t-shirt on the cover of the January Rolling Stone was absolutely k-classic.

I am now an official Justin groupie, I think.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 21 March 2003 04:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kramer totally rocks! I love this quote: "Where does it say in the revolutionary handbook that I'm supposed to starve to death?"

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:23 (twenty-one years ago) link


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