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C'mon, tell me who's good nowadays. I know very little (last time I knew anything, Ronaldo was the next big thing. How 'bout that Dutch (I assume he's Dutch from his name, which I can't remember fully) guy on Man U that looks like a young Travolta? he's about the only person I've heard about lately.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronaldo is still a top man, but not back at his peak yet. Ruud Van Nistelroy, the Dutchman at Man U, is a top striker too, but I think my favourite player recently may have been Thierry Henry, the Frenchman at Arsenal - fast, skillful, getting lots of goals, including a good few beautiful ones, and making some as well (like both in Arsenal's last game), and he does that "va va voom" thing so well in the car advert (can't remember which car, typically). But I'm only watching English games these days (including against European sides, but I don't really know any other nation's players so well).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I caught some of a match w/Henry in it--he seemed like one of those guys who stays composed while getting attacked by several defenders, like an eye in the hurricane.
How 'bout Rivaldo (I think it's him, get some of the Brazilians confused--he had a big shaved head and played for FC Barcelona). A year or two ago I saw him make an absolutely beautiful goal where he took on about 3 guys, spun around w/his back to the goal, and heel-kicked it in

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, Rivaldo is a glorious player, though I don't remember the shaved head. If you're an old comic fan, I think Rivaldo looks like Pablo Marcos drew him. He plays for Milan now, and Barcelona look like missing out on European football for the first time in their history. They are closer to relegation in Spain than the European places.

BTW, the correct expression is 'backheeled'.

My favourite goal ever: probably when George Weah (from Liberia, not a major football nation) was playing for Milan. He had come back to defend a corner in the closing minutes of the game. The ball came to him 8 yards from his own line, and over 100 yards from the opposition goal. He ran the length of the field, beating whoever came near him, before making the finish look easy. I've never seen anyone score solo from anything like that kind of starting position.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

(thanks, I spent two minutes trying to think of backheel)

I did that same thing a bunch while using Weah on the FIFA game for Playstation.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten years pass...

I have long imagined that football today was 'technically better' than in the past - that players were fitter, had better diets, better coaching, sports science, more expensive boots, etc.

Then I watched the 1984 UEFA Cup Final and gained the impression that the players in it were more athletic, faster (the play was much faster! relentless!), more skilful (surprising, yet true), and the play more attacking (end to end, constant) and entertaining than today.

Come to think of it, I often don't find footy so entertaining today.

This contrast surprised me, but the impression was consistent.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link

Its hard to compare fitness/athleticism non? Each set of peers prob cancel out other as far as the viewer is concerned.

i think organisation/defending has improved at a faster rate or with greater focus than individual attacking flair, like perhaps that was an age where a team worked loosely around the talent but mourinho et al have tended to subjugate even the best creative players onto rails and into corridors but then again maybe its all cycles eh

CSI BONO (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link

nice to see the pinefox back though

Joyeux animaux de la misère (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link

i've seen plenty of football from the early 80s that looks farcical compared to the modern game - the very best players perhaps shine thru any era

I never did nothing to no curry (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link

the difference between someone who spends more time than they ought to watching and reading about football and a truly converted fitba devotee is probably watching old matches on the internet for reasons other than the sentimental

i've never been able to tolerate it but from watching highlights, the thing i have noticed when viewing laudrup, boniek, mijatovic compilations is a sort of desultory yet graceful shifting of balance and of velocity, these players just look different to highlight reels of their current counterparts like iniesta or neymar or hazard even messi, the greatest of all of them, who just seem slightly more refined yet more functional by comparison

90s premier league looks like shit though, risibly crude

Joyeux animaux de la misère (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 03:19 (ten years ago) link

laudrup suffers only in comparison to messi though

luiz ronaldo has a sort of classical style that reminds me of laudrup as a #9, i'd rather watch ronaldo compilations than ronaldinho or zidane

Joyeux animaux de la misère (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 03:25 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, those guys have builtin tolerance in their joints that the current guys dont seem to have, an elastic relaxation that the flair stars of nowadays gird against lest jose or whoever catch some part of their musculature not straining.

Game poorer for it obv, thudd reigneth

CSI BONO (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 09:14 (ten years ago) link

Compilation footballers of today, idk, vdv isnt bad but yr topboys get samey, boring, its like watching racehorses, the functions are impressive but limited even while the stats outstrip their forebears

CSI BONO (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 09:17 (ten years ago) link

Whereas -- Tony Galvin.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 10:02 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

I'm very saddened at the passing of Jimmy Armfield.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/22/jimmy-armfield-former-england-captain-dies-aged-82

the pinefox, Monday, 22 January 2018 11:33 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

When Sócrates was transferred to Fiorentina, he said: “I’m not interested in cars, luxury homes, I don’t want to grow old accumulating riches... I’m here to read Gramsci in the original language.”#KeepPoliticsInFootball #MarxistFootballers pic.twitter.com/dBS4O7pHNf

— Jon Bounds 🇵🇸 (@bounder) June 8, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

HW at the cowboys giants game lol

calstars, Sunday, 12 November 2023 22:43 (five months ago) link


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