Sequels that are better than the first ones.

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'A Very Brady Sequel' = mucho better than 'The Brady Bunch Movie'.
'Wrath of Kahn', 'French Connection II', 'Sweeny II', 'Batman Returns'.
There aren't many though. I prefer the original 'Alien' and 'Terminator' movies and it's a toss up between the 1st and 2nd 'Godfather' movies. Yeah, maybe 'Mad Max II'.

DavidM, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Addams Family Values'! Of course!

DavidM, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
Batman Returns, The Empire Strikes Back, The Godfather Part II, Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn,

TAW, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Some idiot on BBC London was sneering about Channel 5's Easter offering being Gremlins 2. As rainy says, it is far superior to the original. He'd probably never watched it.

N., Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(or maybe he realised that a whole sequence of Gremlins 2 won't work on telly?)

Firsted: Curse of the Cat People, For A Few Dollars More, Desperado, Toy Story 2
Seconded: Addams Family Values
Thirded: T2, um Gremlins 2

Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What happened to the rumored Goonies 2, with all the same actors playing the same characters 20 years later living in New York and going through the same treasure map schtick? Or am I hallucinating from too many DRUKQS.

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

off form to answer one's own question, what?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dare's OTM: Evil Dead 2 over Evil Dead (I also think Army of Darkness beats Evil Dead 2, but he neglected to mention that one :-( ). I also liked Rush Hour 2 more then Rush Hour and expect Rush Hour 3 (they'd be downright nutty not to make it) to be even better.

Vinnie, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I did say peak of cinematography. Army of Darkness has some great shots (the chainsaw-jump, the arrow shot, the shotgun soliloquy, and the S-Mart battle), but you can't beat all the incredible scenes in Evil Dead II, from corpse pirouette to head-in-the-vice ("you swore we'd always be together!"), from "who's laughing now?!!" to "A Farewell to Arms," the whole sequence from when he's flung out of the car to being chased through the house ...

.. the spirits' statement of purpose ("We are the creatures that were, and shall be again ... ")

... and of course the Epic challenge ("Let's carve ourselves a witch") ..

sigh. it's dreamy.

Dare, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i second wayne's world 2

minna, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

SCARFACE!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Terminator 2 was a good flick, but I hesitate to compare it to Termintator. I'd say Police Academy 2 (First Assignment?) was funny as opposed to the other 12 or 13. While Babe 2 may not have been as great as Babe, it was a good film none the less.

Mr Noodles, Sunday, 31 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
I was playing around with Random Thread fun and stumbled across this thread. Shockingly no one had mentioned any of the James Bond movies in here, so I'm doing so.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

Rocky III is better than Rocky II

H.Mann, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Bride of Frankenstein > Frankenstein.

Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster > Godzilla vs. King Kong.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

Babe 2 slaughters the original. It has a DROWNING DOG.

More recently Blade 2 splattered the first one with that super vamp thing Joss Whedon copied.

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

Rocky III is better than Rocky II

I agree with this. II is exactly the same as I, except he wins. I like III, when he's taken over Hulk Hogan's knee like a pansy.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

I also like IV, when he solves the cold war by running in the snow.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

And V, that's a classic, because, because...I'm stuck.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure the cinematography was very excellent.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:44 (twenty years ago) link

It was a bit like 'Mean Streets', but really really shit.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

And Adrian's a terrific name for a girl. She was in Rocky V more than any of the others. Except Rocky I. No, fuck that, she was in V more than I. That's the answer.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

Who here isn't looking forward to Rocky VI?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

Rocky VI: The Parkinson's Years

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

"Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" beats the pants off of "Temple of Doom" and I like it even better than "Raiders of the Lost Ark." But that's probably because of Sean Connery.

And I second the vote for the Bond films.

How about the Benji movies?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

Lethal Weapon II was almost better than Lethal Weapon. If it weren't for Riggs being such a dark, improbably heroic character in the original movie, the first sequel would've been the better movie.

And damn, now I'm craving a sushi dinner followed by a viewing of Lethal Weapon II.

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

Tho I've never seen it, Benji the Hunted deserves some points because it was the subject of a classic heated quarrel between Siskel and Ebert back in 1987: they reviewed it and Full Metal Jacket the same week, and Ebert liked one and didn't like the other. Heh.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 05:40 (twenty years ago) link

Star Wars: Attack of the Clones was much better than that ghastly Episode 1 rubbish.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

I third Wayne's World 2

Nellie (nellskies), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

Star Wars: Attack of the Clones was much better than that ghastly Episode 1 rubbish.
I wouldn't say MUCH, but I'd otherwise agree. Except Ep1 had E.T. in it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

Texasville the book may be better than The Last Picture Show (both Larry McMurtry), but the films are very much the other way round.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

Spy Kids 2 beat the amazing Spy Kids (original)! The scenes with Juni and the president's daughter are so, so funny....plus, Steve Buschemi! (sp?) The third unstallment comes out this summer and it will be in 3-D. I am stoked!

Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

New Wave Hookers just got better as the series progressed.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

The only one I can think of is Superman II. And my, do I love to think about Superman II.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Breakin II seems to be remembered more than the first. Begging (OK, half-heartedly asking) the question, what would the subtitle be for Breakin' III when they inevitably make it? (IV, V & VI too)

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Babe: Pig in the City might be better than the original Babe.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"Breakin' II" is remembered for one reason and one reason only.

Dan (ELECTRIC BOOGALOO) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I reckon Toy Story 2 kicks the original's arse.

Greig (treefell), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Guys, Most Xtreme Primate kicks ass. End of discussion.

JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone explain exactly why Wayne’s World II is better than the original Wayne’s World?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

(or maybe he realised that a whole sequence of Gremlins 2 won't work on telly?)

They have a different sequence for the TV version.

Toy Story 2 seconded, as is Drunken Master II.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"Breakin II seems to be remembered more than the first. Begging (OK, half-heartedly asking) the question, what would the subtitle be for Breakin' III when they inevitably make it? (IV, V & VI too)"

They better hurry up before 1984 ends. Oh.

JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

God you people are thick. Can't you spot a thinly-veiled attempt at a "make up a phrase as great as Electric Boogaloo that rhymes with Three" thread when you see one?

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Gremlins II is certainly better than Gremlins. Less knowingly ironic, more fun.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

General Zod would not be happy with this thread...

SUPERMAN II

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The only one I can think of is Superman II. And my, do I love to think about Superman II.
-- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), May 14th, 2003.

my man. poster of it in my bathroom.
u hear about the 'green' edition anthony? some hardcore '..2' fans are putting together a version without dick lester's scenes, extra footage they found etc.

heh he probably doesn't even come on this board anynore.

other votes:

'lethal wepaon 2' yes agreed.
'empire strikes back' obviously
'naked gun 2' also.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.saxonbullock.com/images/General-Zod.jpg

"Admit you love Superman II, inhabitants of planet Houston, and I will alow you to live."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Here's a graph that shows how much better or worse sequels were as compared to the original:

http://www.saasta.fi/saasta/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sequel-map-1-4.png

Tuomas, Sunday, 3 April 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't get the idea on this thread that Babe: Pig In The City is superior. Maybe if what you like in a movie is wacky set design and the potential for drinking games based on 'spot the background goth' it is the better movie.

Publicidad de Sexo (Abbbottt), Sunday, 3 April 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link

After the Thin Man

Aimless, Sunday, 3 April 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Boxer's Omen is way way way better than Bewitched.

I like Once Upon A Time In China 2 and 3 better than the original.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link

Exorcist 3 >>>>>>> Exorcist 2 btw

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link

Well, yeah.

I'd have much more time for an 'Exorcist 3 > Exorcist 1' argument than the insane 'Exorcist 2 > Exorcist 1 (or much of anything)' argument Alfred has put forward.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link

On the horror front, I have basically zero time for any of the Child's Play films with 'Child's Play' in the title but I think all of the subsequent Child's Play films with 'Chucky' in the title are good-to-great.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link

child’s play 2 is great but otherwise you’re right

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link

I was 13 when Raiders came out, I hadn't seen the antecedents!

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link

well Morbius was 13 when Stagecoach came out, so you can understand why he feels this way

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link

child’s play 2 is great but otherwise you’re right


I was only skimming these posts and I read this but in my mind I got it mixed up with problem child

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link

(& I was like yep that looks like a brad opinion, checks out)

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link

Rocky iii ✓✓✓✓✓✓✓

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link

Wrath Of Khan was my first ever in-cinema experience of looking at my watch at the end credits and being flatly baffled as to where 2 hours had gone. i don't just mean 'oh it flies by!' i mean literally dumbstruck and perplexed that time could even move so fast. i was only a kid but even today it seems to have incredible pacing, i think partly it's because Khan actually takes a time (half an hour maybe?) before he even rocks up. it's a *masterpiece* of structure.

piscesx, Monday, 23 October 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link

Problem Child 2 probably is the best of the trilogy btw

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 06:24 (six years ago) link

Iron Man 3 is much more fun the first two, how did it get to be divisive? Is it the Kingsley stuff?

I think a lot of people have issue with that plot twist, yeah - I personally thought it was great, the idea of a 'created enemy' fascinates me and is something I can totally buy if it is done well (which I thought it was here).
In this case, there will always be comic book fans who are disappointed that they didn't get the villain closer to the source material. (For those, there's a must-see one-shot special with Kingsley called All Hail The King, which is included on the Thor 2 Blu-ray.)
But I think a problem for many was that Guy Pearce's Aldritch Killian wasn't an impressive enough main villain.

I've also more than once heard people having problems with the final battle, for being too CGI-heavy and/or because Tony couldn't get access to his armor for so long, his entire house is destroyed and then is suddenly and conveniently able to call on an armor-army from an undamaged storage section in the end. But he needed to re-establish contact beforehand & the storage was pretty much a vault, I personally don't doubt that he couldn't have done so earlier.

I love the movie and I personally even prefer it over the first Iron Man, I've seen acclaim, but I know I've often seen people list it low as well.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 06:51 (six years ago) link

Amazon recently recommended me the Home Alone box set. There are five of those films but I was only aware of three.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:46 (six years ago) link

Problem Child 2 probably is the best of the trilogy btw

take it to the controversial opinions thread buddy

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link

Amazon recently recommended me the Home Alone box set. There are five of those films but I was only aware of three.

https://i.imgur.com/zrnhBiV.png

pplains, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link

daniel dild-shoeis to thread

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link

Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link

PB2 is the one where Junior says "Can we go home now? These people are dicks" and so is clearly the best

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link

also I can't remember which one they overkill the "Bad to the Bone" hook in, that's p great

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link

also Gilbert Gottfried's character becomes a maniacal dentist

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link

After the Thin Man

I must protest; the Thin Man franchise is my go-to example of diminishing returns.

Virulent Is the Word for Julia (j.lu), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link

The second one is the best iirc

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link

I've never seen any of the Problem Child films (and probably never will), but the episode of Gilbert Gottfried's podcast with the writers of those films (Scott Alexander and
Larry Karaszewski--who would go on to write Ed Wood and The People vs. Larry Flynt) has some great behinds-the-scenes stuff on how the second film in that series, in particular, came to be.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

gremlins 2

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link

yes for real even though Gremlins 1 is a classic Gremlins 2 is so good

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link


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