Why is there a US-version of "The Office"?

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On balance, Porridge is funnier than Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads, although possibly not better.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Who's this 'Ryan Howard' character? I can match up all the rest of the characters, but there wasn't a temp in the British version, was there?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Ricky from the first series.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

the last good british comedy show was Whatever Happened to The Likely Lads?

Only true if you forget the existence of The Young Ones, Blackadder, A Bit Of Fry & Laurie, The Day Today, Yes Minister, Brass Eye, Not The Nine 'O Clock News, The Armando Iannucci Shows, and Father Ted.

(BTW - the latter was technically British as it was mostly filmed at the London Studios (formerly LWT's South Bank Studios) for the UK-based Channel 4. I think I read somewhere once that RTE, the Irish state broadcaster, refused to broadcast it when C4 was attempting to sell it overseas.)

Chriddof (Chriddof), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(...tho Father Ted did become a huge hit on Irish cable TV.)

Chriddof (Chriddof), Saturday, 12 March 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Or people with large TV ariels.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

no one has said anything to change my mind

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

yoo forgot about *are yoo being pawned?*, gareth.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

LAUGH IT UP MORTFOX

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

And Robin's Nest. Don't forget Robin's Nest.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 12 March 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this was announced awhile back, and the pilot's been floating for AWHILE - but there was some writeup in ew this week so i guess it's a midseason replacement?

jeremy's right - the focus group response to the original pilot was so terrible that nbc had to have a long hard think about whether it was worth saving. in the end they retooled both the cast and the writing team pretty dramatically and (i think?) gave gervais and merchant even more input than they already had.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 12 March 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I know the guy who plays the new Tim thru a friend of mine, so I hope the best for it. But part ot the charm off the Orig., was partly because of the number of unknowns, right? Steve Carell is way too mainstream, esp. after Anchorman...

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the american version of the british version of friends was probably the thru the rabbit hole moment of this

Big Brother, surely? Or am I missing something in TV history?

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone seen "Kelsey Grammer Presents: The Sketch Show" yet? it's got whatshername from mr.show and paul tompkins from mr.show in it. i have never seen the brit Sketch Show.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

my friend auditioned for tim! i videotaped it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.injenn.net/~tania/seona-dancing/

WTF!!?? Is that really him?

It's really disheartening when someone rattles off a list of 20 British shows that are supposed to be good and only 2 or 3 of them have ever been shown in the US. I can't understand why with a billion satellite stations they can't just beam the British channels over here instead of giving us BBC America.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah walter see this thread:
SEONA DANCING (RICKY GERVAIS PICTURE THREAD)

What I don't get is, if they're following the original exactly and it gets pick up for more than one season, what happens when they get past the Christmas Specials in the story line? They better have some damn good writers lined up or they're screwed...not to mention the fact that the BBC series ends at exactly the right time for those characters.

Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the obsession with things going on for longer than necessary in America? If it gets to the Christmas specials at the end of season two, you have reached a conclusion of the stories for the characters, so JUST END IT! Why must a way be found to carry it on past that? Can things not just be pitched as a two-series or single 16-part series or whatever, or do they have to have the potential to go on forever? I mean, the very format of The Office (fly-on-the-wall documentary) should prohibit the concept from stretching on forever.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the idea is that it becomes a gravy train for everyone, surely. (Hit series! No unemployment! Hurrah!) Maybe because expectations/procedures are so specifically different in the UK things are easier to deal with in terms of hyperfocus and 'getting it right.' Certainly that explains the wound-tight-as-hell near-perfection of shows like Fawlty Towers or The Day Today -- there wasn't going to be an endless amount of shows, rather there was a specific focus.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I get the impression that there's a smaller clique of actors and production companies in the UK and so people know that when one project ends something else will come along shortly. Is that impression way off base? In the US it seems more common for an actor to appear on one TV show and then never be seen again. Or they finally get another big job 20 years after their original hit show.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

If something's a hit in the US the thinking would be why the hell abandon it. Milk that shit!

It just bothers me that the media/entertainment complex assume Americans won't be interested in a show full of British accents. Could this type of coddling be why so many Americans have such an insulated view of the world?

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, there's also something else too -- I've been on a Python kick recently thanks to a couple of DVDs filling out my collection and in rereading the enjoyable Monty Python Speaks oral history their old US manager talks about how sharp John Cleese was to sell the format to Fawlty Towers to America a few times over, each time gaining him some cash while neither doing anything further about the show nor having to worry about getting confused with the original (none of the three attempts over time were called Fawlty Towers, the original show itself got American distribution via PBS, etc.). If the show's originators want to essentially license and then get some double coverage as a result -- think Gervais doing the same with the BBC America screenings and DVDs covering the 'original' and now scoring some more here while not having to get overly involved (and also allowing them to figure out what they want to do next) -- then hey, it's goofy but still.

None of this forgives the idea of making an Americanized Father Ted, though. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

cheers was heavily 'inspired' by fawlty towers is my understanding (hence cleese guestspots even)

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Cheers folks always admitted it -- they said they liked the idea of a ensemble cast in a specific setting (so it wasn't just the basic Fawlty/Mrs. Fawlty model, or even Polly/Manuel as well, but also the Colonel and the old ladies and etc.). But the actual licensing of ideas that Cleese did was for shows starring Harvey Korman, Bea Arthur and John Larroquette. All of which lasted about six episodes if that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

milking it springs forth from syndication more than anything else, it should be remembered too that there's considerably more money to be made in american tv than british tv also, ricky gervais is nowhere near as welathy as larry david and, more importantly, the prospects of him becoming so via the office uk were somewhat nil i'm guessing. the british model of tv show production exists in some form with cable though yeah?

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

ricky gervais is nowhere near as welathy as larry david

So why isn't Larry David giving me money?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

cheers was heavily 'inspired' by fawlty towers is my understanding

True, but the concept of the workplace sitcom long predates Faulty Towers.

In the meantime, weren't Three's Company, Sanford and Son, and All in the Family all Americanized versions of Britcoms?

j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, yes, but they are a different form of British sitcom. We still have that sort of sitcom too, the ones that run for ever with varying degrees of success. The ones that are more about the characters and the jokes, rather than the situations, I think would be the difference (someone will pick holes in this definition, I know).

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

what was the last straight translation of a britshow (non-game show or reality tv) to become a hit on american tv? i'm thinking i have to be forgetting something but is there anything post-norman lear? i wonder if part of the reason so many recent remakes of failed is that so many american are familiar with the original, esp now with bbc america (and to a lesser extent comedy central - abfab remake long rumoured but died a quick death if it ever made it to tv at all (i forget) and pbs which does still show whatever sitcoms dame judy pops up in) people watching tv programs on dvd becoming much much more common than people watching them on vhs ever was.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

thank you for mentioning three's company j. lu (if it was originally a britshow)(which would maybe explain one huge 'huh?' i've had about that show), i was trying to think of a american version of a brit show that was a hit AND an awful show.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah, 'cheers' obv very possible without 'fawlty towers', the show it closest resembles is taxi with mary tyler moore probably being runnerup. james brooks why did you ever leave tv???

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Queer as Folk? Cracker? (I'm not sure if they were hits, I'm just thinking of ones that made it back here again in their American form). Neither US version held a candle to the British originals in any case.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

queer as folk is reality, cracker bombed.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Queer as Folk is not reality! Are you confusing it with Queer Eye for the Straight Guy?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

haha 'THAT AIN'T NO TV SHOW, THAT'S MY LIFE!', yeah i somehow mixed them up.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Gareth is right - there haven't been any good British comedy shows since Bolam and Bewes went their separate ways. El Hadji Diouf is also good for the English game.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

it feels weird to call any showtime show a 'hit', nothing's really stuck to the wall for them (i'm guessing the l word is their biggest hit since garry shandling and whatever back in the eighties), still 'queers as folk us' made it to dvd so i guess that does sorta count. what's the last network one?

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely The Office is one instance where a US remake WOULD be warranted. The whole point of The Office is RECOGNITION, the comedy arises as much from seeing things as you see them every day in your own workplace as it does from the jokes themselves, and surely that's much reduced when you transport it over the Atlantic?

This new version will probably suck, though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I posted about this last year - I wonder if I can find my post... Nope. But the gist of it was that the US remake of The Office was actually pretty well done. Watch it if you can.

Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 12 March 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The actress who plays Dawn (from the original) was sitting next to us last weekend at the Ned birthday FAP!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 12 March 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The German version of The Office is really good.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 March 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Also TS: Brighton Belles vs Days Like These

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 March 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I am actually thinking this U.S. version will be better than expected if you can get past the first 2 episodes.

S!monB!rch (Carey), Saturday, 12 March 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

office space the real us version of the office anyhow right?

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 March 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i never saw office space. is it as good as everyone says it is or as bad as it looks or somewhere in between?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

it's pretty classic.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It's overrated as fuck but classic, yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(If you want a good comparison point, Slocki, I know people who quote/obsess over the damn thing as much I would quote, say, Life of Brian at one point. You may take that under advisement.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never seen the original. The long clip of the American version on myspace is so ALMOST good, so ALMOST funny. The acting is just a bit overdone, especially the boss. The dialogue is a HAIR to wacky.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

First episode is on tonight at 9:30 - NBC.
....

we'll see....

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 24 March 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

u can't ask me to not be excited about james spader

Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link

how many threads do we need on this?

Spader as CEO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spader as Michael tho

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

what other thread is it on?

Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

The Office (US) — Season 6 thread last updated two hours before this one

undeɹrated ærosm?th b∞tlegs I have pwned (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

oh -- i think this one gets more use. i unsubscribed from that one awhile ago for the reason you mention -- how many office threads do we need?

Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

so awkward

Mordy, Friday, 24 February 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

what's awkward is that every week, another thread gets revived.

The Office Season 8: It Kinda Seems Like the Left Side is the Side to Be On

Three Word Username, Friday, 24 February 2012 08:54 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Rewatching the complete series of this, loving James Spader so much.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 July 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link

"I had a one man saturnalia last night to celebrate the finalization of my divorce."

Treeship, Sunday, 6 July 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link

So yeah this show started out ok then got really good til Michael Scott left. I love the episodes immediately following it, the guest star managers and weird Lynchian James Spader stuff. But it's pretty clear that they decided to end the show when Michael left. Maybe they were thinking Ed Helms could save the show but his character is really detestable for that final season. Erin is easily the best part of post-Michael Office. New Jim and New Dwight were cool. Jim's sports thing in Philadelphia is a lame subplot, and the Boom Mic Guy subplot is some Twin Peaks season 2 James Biker-level blah blah blah.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 July 2014 03:52 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtFy1kGaHc

Craig Robinson rules

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 July 2014 03:53 (nine years ago) link

Creed Bratton: Hey, coz. Heard you're having money problems.
Michael Scott: No, you didn't.
Creed Bratton: Listen, I got the answer. You declare bankruptcy, all your problems go away.
Creed Bratton: [in confessional] Creed Bratton has never declared bankruptcy. When Creed Bratton gets in trouble, he transfers his debt to
[holds up a fake passport]
Creed Bratton: William Charles Schneider.
Michael Scott: How would that help, Creed? In Monopoly, you go bankrupt, you lose.
Creed Bratton: You don't go by Monopoly, man. That game is *nuts*. Nobody just pick up Get Out of Jail Free cards. Those things cost thousands.
Michael Scott: That is a good point.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 July 2014 03:55 (nine years ago) link

Slowly watching the post-Michael seasons now, Erin is the best thing about them by far.

a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Friday, 11 July 2014 12:47 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

i've gone back to rewatch this series from the start. right now i'm halfway through season 5. imo season 2 is the best. the Michael-Jan stuff is very interesting, the weird power struggles they deal with, and it's funny to watch him fail at both being a competent manager and a lover often at the same time. Jan was a really good character it is a shame what happened, they basically turned her into a crazy ex. the show works best when it just sits back and lets Michael fail and Jan was the best foil for him, the Margaret Dumont to his Groucho.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 7 July 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiI4lvRbLkU

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 22 July 2017 06:17 (six years ago) link

when it starts the "Jim's sports company" subplot this show becomes a struggle to get through

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 July 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link

James Spader is cool. Catherine Tate is cool but they quickly ran out of things for her character to do. Ed Helms is funny but a mostly absent boss. Ellie Kemper is the funniest part of the last couple of seasons.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 July 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Finished up a few days ago, all nine seasons. I should have posted a few times as I went along--hard to sum up after you've finished. (I might do a character rundown in a couple of days.) Briefly: erratic, as you'd expect, but at its best I loved it. Especially Pam and Jim the first two or three seasons--as crazy as this sounds, I think that was about as romantic as any film I've ever seen. And so out of the blue when you don't know anything in advance, and you've decided you have a pretty good idea of what you're about to see.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 January 2024 21:41 (three months ago) link

I never made it past episode one of the British show. It made my skin crawl.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 29 January 2024 15:28 (three months ago) link

I'm amazed at how much negativity there is towards Pam early in this thread. Thought she was pretty great right from the start.

clemenza, Monday, 29 January 2024 15:53 (three months ago) link

Apparently this show has become a touchstone for Gen Z, which is really odd, given how little actual office experience any of them have had. It'd be like them really getting into a show about people using rotary phones. (And yeah, obviously the office setting of The Office is all but incidental, but still.)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2024 16:26 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think at least once a day for the rest of my life I will randomly blurt out "WUPHF.com!" at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfokPqeSNcw

clemenza, Monday, 12 February 2024 20:55 (two months ago) link

lol

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 12 February 2024 21:00 (two months ago) link

"This is how you make it in this country..."

I bet I've watched that clip 25 times the past month.

clemenza, Monday, 12 February 2024 21:02 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

Second-last one of the these--you can feel the magic in the air. Not really about pop music in The Office, which was used sparsely over nine seasons--just 20 minutes on the "Nobody But Me" lib-dub, posted just above.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4NtPbFQd-s&t

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:16 (one week ago) link


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