TS: Godfather vs Godfather II

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I love how effective that phrase is when not used between lovers.

Yeah, right?

― ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

you broke my heart.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

I think the only film I've seen more often than I and II is The Wizard of Oz. But it's pretty close. If I'm flipping channels and notice one of the Godfather epics, I'll watch a scene or two or three, maybe four or five.
I liked the first one the best. Um, no, the second one. Wait a minute - the first one. Yeah, that's it. Aw damn.

― jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:56 (twenty years ago) link

I've never seen any of the Godfathers. (Or Goodfellas or Casino)

Even though I know the first is supposed to be the greatest film of all time and everything, I just have no desire to see it, but I can't figure out why.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:59 (twenty years ago) link

Pick up the book while you figure it out; it's a great pulpy read.

― m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

Weekend at Bernie's 2.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...

ok, so why does michael have a black mark on his cheek for the 2nd half of the movie?

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe its just time to clean my television screen

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Was this after the cop punched him?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

yes , this is what i thought, but doesnt a whole of time go by when michael is hiding out in italy?

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

His jaw never set back correctly.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, seems like an odd place to bruise, but that makes sense.

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I prefer the first since it works as a stand-alone but II is possibly the best sequel ever (starts slow but has astonishing power by the end). As much as I love the catchphrases and moments that III gave everybody, it's embarassing that the thing exists.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Godfather II, if only for the Fredo breakdown scene in the conservatory.

― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

In Part I: the "I like to drink wine more than I used to..." part

In Part II: I always liked the end of Frankie Five Angels with Tom in the prison yard.

― Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'M SMART!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, yeah. While Michael just ignores him.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

they're both great, but I prefer the second one. Deeper in every way. I like the scene in Miami when Hyman Roth asks Michael if he watches the baseball...not so much, Michael says. And the way Lee Strasberg has his leg over the arm of the chair.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...

cozen is otm, wtf @ the plotting of II?

the deniro bits are straightforward enough. childlike, really.

but can anyone come out here and explain the rest of it?

there are two brothers michael is trying to shake down in vegas? and hyman roth is in cahoots with them, possibly? but hyman claims to be on michael's side?

they try to kill michael, and try to pin it on the old guy back from new york.

and then they try to kill that old guy, and tell him it's on michael's orders (this is confusing, because maybe it is michael!).

er, and at some undisclosed point the feds investigate the corleone family and they have to go to court.

i think i would have liked a godfather 1.5, in which vito and mo green (=bugsy siegel?) and hyman roth build up their empire of crime. i guess roth is coming out of chicago?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

they're both pretty overrated.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

II.

Brando's performance is mostly hammy crap. And if you ever see I in a theater, Diane Keaton's assorted hairstyles draw gales of laughter.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

morbius, what is the plot of II?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw it last night. but seriously, what the fuck at the senate committee etc?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

JD OTM

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

A man builds his family with murder, his son destroys it with murder.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point though, in fairness.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd rather they made it about organized crime really -- roth, ie meyer lansky, would be a good subject for a biopic. if 'family' is the plot of 'GF2', why fanny about with cuba and the senate hearings &c?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point

Not compared to III!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

This is heretical, but fuck it: Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman, in which he parodied Don Corleone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

And Lee Strasberg is an ever bigger ham than Alex Rocco.

does "ham" mean "jew"?

kidding.

I loved Strasberg in 2, the scene where he's talking about Moe Green (Siegel), not getting a plaque and all that...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Alfred OTM

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman"

right, but don corleone isn't a funny, warm, or human kinda guy.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

he's, you know, a crime lord.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah but in the Paulie-from-Goodfellas friendly neighborhood don type of way. He was no Michael Corleone.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

but he loves his grandkids! and he's such a lovable crime lord!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

paulie is also a vicious psychopath -- they have paternal instincts, but if you go a few feet astray, they will definitely fuck you up.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes but they're presented in a different light, I mean in a manner where it's like, "Yeah, those guys deserved to be fucked up anyway."

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Don Corleone didn't have a Komodo dragon!

Coppola himself says he could've done a smarter, more polished job on the first one (much of which he shot under rumor of being imminently fired).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i just like the first one a lot. i think the sinatra storyline is basically pointless, but it's a good crime saga.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a fun Hollywood anecdote, if done better on SCTV with Candy as Johnny Pavarotti and John Marley as Leonard Bernstein.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Both of them are kind of only ok though, the first is good for how hot Al Pacino was back then though. I think the first is overblown and really hammy, and the second is a complete trainwreck.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, DeNiro didn't approach his later work in The Fan and Rocky and Bullwinkle.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

it took 30 years for jimmy caan to get round to 'elf'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Having a good performance in a movie /= making a good movie. Either DeNiro was completely and utterly unnecessary to that film, or the majority of the rest of the film was completely unnecessary. Hence "train wreck".

Also, his performance in the film is overrated anyway! Oh noes, DeNiro learnt Eyetalian!!! Oh noes! FILM OF TEH YEAR! etc. If he learnt Eyetalian, got fat, and shaved a mohawk into his head, now you'd be talking.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, I'm sure the performances in the new King Kong might very well be pretty great but if the script they're all working from resembles pudding, well, you're still fucked.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I think he may never equalled his perf in GPII; Pacino either. The only bum scene I can recall is that shrill Diane K abortion-confession screech. Duvall, Cazale, Strasberg, Michael V Gazzo, all great.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Duvall in just about anything. But he and Gordon Parks aren't enough to get me to watch this stuff.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I think II is better because it retroactively makes I better. It deepens the story on both ends.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never like Deniro in anything

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

That Diane Keaton scene is unbearable.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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yeah, there was some Cabaret in the Halston series too, but I want it to be the sole focus

― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

i never finished the Halston show - Cabaret being in there might make me revisit

― H in Addis, Monday, 27 February 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link

weird bit of crossover content in The Irishman/The Offer (based on a cursory scan of storylines, haven't seen the latter)

― omar little, Monday, 27 February 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link

What was it? I must have missed that.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link

By the end, I think the best, most natural performance might have been Jake Cannavale as Caesar. When I saw the name I assumed he was Bobby's son (he is); also Sidney Lumet's grandson.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:08 (one year ago) link

Joe Colombo's attempted assassination was shown during The Irishman, as was the hit on Joe Gallo by the titular Irishman. different contexts, obv. the former was this dreamlike & grisly slo-mo shooting.

― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:47 (one year ago) link

There's a clean-looking print of Crazy Joe (Peter Boyle) on YouTube; I've never seen it, will watch soon.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:18 (one year ago) link

The Halson show was fine. I admired Ewan McGregor's commitment to it.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:20 (one year ago) link

When I saw the name I assumed he was Bobby's son (he is)

didn't he also play Bobby's son in Nurse Jackie? I remember him being good in that

― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 09:08 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

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— mouse (@punchedrunk) April 21, 2023

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:05 (eleven months ago) link

(Open tweet for the full joke)

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:06 (eleven months ago) link

nine months pass...

why do I find it so funny when Tattaglia is seen meticulously grooming himself during the meeting of the 5 Families

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:38 (two months ago) link

Maybe that's what the Don meant when he said Tattaglia's a pimp

― JRN, Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:48 (two months ago) link

Lol I actually think it is

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:25 (two months ago) link

Watched this with mom tonight in honor of dad

It never gets old.

You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:42 (one month ago) link

(masked and very very distanced of course)

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:42 (one month ago) link

It's gotten old. That was all decided last year.

― clemenza, Monday, 19 February 2024 05:15 (one month ago) link

CLEMENZA

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:23 (one month ago) link

Anyway watching this tonight was a blessing.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:24 (one month ago) link

always a good call <3

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2024 06:07 (one month ago) link

Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week

― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 09:12 (one month ago) link

WAHT

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:01 (one month ago) link

Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week.

― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (one month ago) link

lol

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (one month ago) link

my offer is this:

nothing.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link

I had the odd experience of watching II before I watched I. Anyway, I prefer the second, particularly the denouement. And the Fredo/Michael dynamic. Cazale is just devastating.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link

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