Oh boy, ILX! That's where I'm a viking!..?

oh i misread the last part, i guess by "this person" i mean the one being described, not the one who wrote the post.

― some dude, Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:43 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

well the writer has completely missed the point too--it's not that lisa doesn't have a catchphrase, it's that she thinks everyone else is a moron!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e2weCZFqWQ

heroin, that's where I'm a viking!

yeah cad that's true too, i mean the person writing was clearly kinda dumm even if they weren't on the really wrong side of the debate

i love how mad the wrong interpretation of this joke makes aero

classic

ha guess we were both reviving this at the same time

my favorite aero thread, next to poop shelf

Second, there was controversy over the existence and meaning of Bentley's alleged instruction to Craig, "let him have it, Chris". Craig and Bentley denied that Bentley had said the words while the police officers testified that he had said them. Further, Bentley's counsel argued that even if he had said the words, it could not be proven that Bentley had intended the words to mean the informal meaning of "shoot him, Chris" instead of the literal meaning of "give him the gun, Chris".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley_case#Attempted_burglary_and_the_murder_of_PC_Sidney_Miles

the only time a linguistic debate got more heated

Huh. I missed this internet war. The dream interpretation's never occurred to me. I guess it's plausible, though this metafilter post makes a good argument for "area in which he excels":

http://www.metafilter.com/61946/Sleep-is-where-Ralph-is-a-Viking#1723914

Second, there was controversy over the existence and meaning of Bentley's alleged instruction to Craig, "let him have it, Chris". Craig and Bentley denied that Bentley had said the words while the police officers testified that he had said them. Further, Bentley's counsel argued that even if he had said the words, it could not be proven that Bentley had intended the words to mean the informal meaning of "shoot him, Chris" instead of the literal meaning of "give him the gun, Chris".

this seriously happens in a bugs bunny cartoon

The dream interpretation's never occurred to me. I guess it's plausible

Lighting a candle and saying a prayer thanking the gods that Aerosmith is currently on tour.

"Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a pred ship!"

epic thread

did horseshoe and n/a revive at the same time by total coincidence!? or was it brought up on some other thread or something

in dreams that's where I begin responsibilities

btw I never read this thread so I kind of started now (didn't finish obvi) but I have to say that deejs entrance into it is on some classic wwf new villain out of nowhere shit

haha wow this thread. just read the whole thing but I never heard of this "debate".

I wonder if there's some fundamental difference in how the A & B people experience dreams. It seems like a few of the A people have a problem conceiving of sleep as a place, which might be why they were stretching for some alternate interpretation.

Would never in one million years have conceived of the non-dream option, what is even happening to America

It's actually exactly the sort of thing I'd think of first and then go "duh" when I realized the sensible interpretation.

my gf was asking me what ilx was like tonight and i described this thread to her. i think she got the point.

can she explain the point to the 35%

I'm coming around to the dream option, but I don't see why the non-dream option strikes people as so unnatural. It's natural to hear "that's where I'm an X" and assume that the gesture towards a location is just metaphorical for a context in which the speaker is an X. We use this sort of spatial metaphor all of the time.

What I'm guessing blocks this reading for people is that "viking" is never used as a metaphor for "champ"... my assumption was that Ralph was inventing an idiom, and part of the humour (maybe unintended) is that he's coining a phrase to express how dumb he is.

Anyway, I'm reluctantly evolving towards the other reading. But the metafilter post that I linked makes a good point, that 5 or 6 foreign language translations confirm the non-dream option, and none unambiguously confirm the dream option. This is the closest thing to a paraphrase we can get.

STOP IT JUST STOP IT

Viking of Dreams II: The Next Generation

It's natural to hear "that's where I'm an X" and assume that the gesture towards a location is just metaphorical for a context in which the speaker is an X.

This is a little unclear. I meant,

It's natural to hear "that's where I'm an X" and assume that the gesture towards a location is just metaphorical for "When it comes to that, I'm an X."

No really, STOP THIS MADNESS.

to sleep, perchance to dream

fuck I ate ALL the popcorn during the last round of this

OK, I'm done. ;) *lets sleeping dogs lie*

sleeping dog vikings

this is seriously one of the best threads ever

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fuck dude i had no idea

Nothing has ever been the same, since this thread. Every thread I read, I think, sure, there seems to be a general consensus here that this is a good album I should check out...but a general consensus are also "dreamers." You can't trust anyone.

Haha yeah. Sometimes I start to get angry when somebody holds an unreasonably dumb opinion about music but now I just need to remind myself that at least a third of the posters here are full-time trolling or just can't parse a simple sentence correctly.

"viking" is never used as a metaphor for "champ"

U&K

Yep, this thread changed everything. Before, I used to be a staunch supporter of democracy, but what happened here made me realize how democracy can turn into a tyranny of masses, how it can be used to impose one "truth", one rigid frame of reference over a reality that's by its very nature amorphous.

sund4r, see the post upthread where someone describes his kid using it exactly like that.

no he doesn't.

I think we should come up with good, snappy names for the two camps here. How about literalists (those who think Ralph is literally saying he's a viking in his dreams) versus metaphorists (those who think Ralph is using "viking" as a metaphor of being good at something)?

you are not a viking at coming up with good, snappy names

or how about english speakers and psychotics?

he postulates something sketchy about comparative emphasis used in the phrasing iirc

While searching the web to see if David Cohen has ever addressed this question, I came upon this thread on another board, where the same issue is discussed. And here's a quote from that thread:

This morning, unaware of this debate and unprompted, my 7-year-old son sang, to the tune of Queen's "We Are The Champions"

WEEEEEE ARE THE VIIIIIKIINNGGGSSSS!!!

He equates the word "viking" with the concept "champion"

Greg wins.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

― Tuomas, 30. huhtikuuta 2010 15:26 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no it doesn't.

huhtikuuta 2012

make it stop

http://www.lastplanetojakarta.com/forums/index.php/topic,8708.375.html

I miss A B C

I came upon this thread on another board, where the same issue is discussed

I can't believe Tuomas's supporting argument is from a LPTJ forum

there is no way that could be any more perfect