Kickstarter / Bandcamp / etc - C or D?

I read his on-again/off-again blog for a couple years before I even found ILM and was glad to find him here. Was disappointed when he stopped posting. Cool that that's what he's up to these days.

kickstarter kickin knowledge

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkck96gjE71qz4ede.png
Projects that reach 30% of their funding goal succeed more than 90% of the time. You can see that as the line turns green, the percent of projects that succeed approaches 100%.

that's kind of a "no duh" statistic though, isn't it?

i mean the curve could be steeper or flatter i guess but it's kind of like saying "people who grow to be 5'9" are more likely to end up over 6 feet tall"

we were all 3 feet tall once

i mean the curve could be steeper or flatter i guess but it's kind of like saying "people who grow to be 5'9" are more likely to end up over 6 feet tall"

― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, April 29, 2011 7:20 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

i mean, no, not at all. it's more like saying "people that grow to be 3 feet tall almost always end up 10 feet tall."

fwiw on the clickthrough there's way more

yeah, i guess that's a more accurate way of putting it. just seems like a pretty predictable and logical stat that they're dropping like a revelation or truth bomb imo.

idk i mean i phrased it the way i did because the idea that projects reaching 30% get funded fully almost every time is really surprising to me, i would have expected there are a lot of projects that stalled out at higher numbers, or that if there was a threshold like this it would have been much higher--"get to 30% & statistically you're basically there" is way more surmountable as a goal than "promote this until you are all the way there, cause it won't happen otherwise"

btw al i'm following this stuff/bumping this thread cause some ppl i run with are thinking about moving to kickstarter to fund some art projects and i actually wanted to tap yr experience on this, so def don't let me make it sound like i know what i'm talking about.

haha no it's cool -- i guess i have a different way of looking at how KS tends to work for people but i don't know if it's necessarily because of my personal experience with it. but sure lemme know if you have any questions.

By itself, the graphic doesn't mean a lot. For example, what's the breakdown is dollar/values
as goals.

How does it skew when comparing projects that ask for trivial funding as opposed to those requesting more serious money? What's the impact of publicity or recommendation by big name linkage?

Also, from the pov of the non-user, there's no way to gauge how hard 30 percent is to reach. Is it just a meaningless pass through point on the way to full funding? As presented here, it looks fairly ambiguous without clarification.

seems like people are more reluctant to be the first ones to jump in, or to fund something that looks like a futile effort, but happy to keep the momentum going and give it that last push.

that i think is true, but perhaps less true than that imo your project either has what it takes to go the long haul, or is just nowhere near it, with little in between.

Ok my friends all use bandcamp and soundcloud, but I've been doing the mediafire for years now, but I'd like to branch out. What are the differences between the two? Which is better? I really like the soundcloud presentation, and the streaming embedded files, but I wouldn't mind being able to charge for things. Is that a bandcamp thing only? Also, does anyone ever make money off it? Most of my stuff is covers, too, so I don't know if those sites will allow them. Opinions? Suggestions?

i think soundcloud is way better for sharing, but is not geared towards selling at all - you can link to where your stuff is for sale but can't sell directly on soundcloud.

you can share things fine on bandcamp and it is probably a lot more flexible though. i think there is no good reason not to use both.

Also, does anyone ever make money off it?

i'd say we're not in the black yet but it has definitely been worth having

Are there any reasons to choose soundcloud? Other than prettier embed graphics?

well, one good thing is there's an android app for it, and bandcamp won't stream on android

also soundcloud 'feels' better for non-releases, demos etc as bandcamp is more geared towards "albums", but that's more just my opinion

also the social networking aspect of SC that BC pretty much doesn't have, if that floats one's boat

Can you sell albums/songs on Soundcloud?

not directly, but you can link to stores/bandcamp etc

I think i post new stuff more frequently on bandcamp, just like the layout better. soundcloud i do mixes (tho also mixcloud now), covers, "singles"

hey, thought i'd just do a little bit of shameless self-promotion...i've started a kickstarter to get a digital compilation i just put out for free pressed on vinyl. exclusive tracks from amen dunes, wooden wand, sore eros, xray eyeballs, the renderers, black eagle child and bunches more. there's a link from the kickstarter page to download it. alright, back to your regularly scheduled thread.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1671364068/press-blackburns-various-deficiencies-vol-2-on-vin

a more important chart

http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4db9a1cd49e2ae83320e0000/kickstarter-graph.jpg

totaling funding, projects in aggregate.

wow. nearly doubling since the beginning of the year.

as someone on my facebook said: 33 grand to start a blog?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ricleichtung/ad-hoc

kickstarter abuse?

although they do say that they are gonna do a print version too. there is that.

Pretty good NYT story on Kickstarter the other day, they interviewed Yancey.

yancey s.? what's he up to?

hunter hunt-hendrix isn't the liturgy guy's real name is it? the lana del ray of metal. or maybe it is. kinda unbelievable, but you never know.

Corunning Kickstarter! I had almost forgotten that myself -- it's mentioned upthread.

Meantime, Doug Mosurock on this blog thing is a treat. As are his commenters:

https://www.facebook.com/mosurock/posts/2962663298311

ugh, that mosurock thing makes me WANT to donate to this adhoc thing

It can't be any more odious than requiring FB membership in order to read the damned thing. Data mine THIS, Zuckerberg.

i don't understand some of the stuff on kickstarter that has like $10,000+ in funding. i thought people were poor now.

the whole IDEA of kickstarter is that you can raise that kind of money from a large number of people who might only be able to individually contribute in the single or double digits, dude

yeah haven't you seen Breaking Bad?

how much money do you think i could make with a kickstarter to never post on ilx ever again?

not as much as some people!

:(

although an enterprising mod could easily intervene and say "just give me the money, i'll permaban them for half the price"

idgi why would that make you frown

i want a lot of money, have no skills or talent

be more annoying then.

come on, you can do it.

I want all my favorite bands to go on Bandcamp. I like that Relapse has all their bands on Bandcamp. However, their $10 price point is too high. I can hold out and often get the CD for that much or less used or at a show. I think a good model would be $5 to $7 for established bands, and choose yr price for new bands seeking an audience. I think I've convinced a couple bands to get on the Bandcamp wagon. 2 down, thousands to go.

Shit, I only just realized this was Yancey after reading that NYT article yesterday!

That's awesome, now I like Kickstarter even more (I like it quite a bit anyway).

Yeah, I only put two and two together when I read it as well -- which given his role's mentioned earlier on the thread shows how much I pay attention sometimes!

I wouldn't stop uploading to Bandcamp (all my stuff is on there) but I'd start looking at similar alternative sites as well.

Gotta love the new Bandcamp:

Subtotal: 2.00
Additional fan contribution: 3.00
Revenue share (15%): -0.75
Applied to your revenue share balance*: -3.94
Payment processor fee (PayPal): -0.31
Your share: $0.00 USD

How can we have a 'revenue share balance' if they take their cut right off the top anway? Bullshit

that is not a new bandcamp thing though, i see it in payments as early as 2015

i dont understand why, but for physical sales they dont take the revenue share cut on the actual transaction, they bill it against future digital sales

Maybe because they're not involved in fulfillment? Whereas with digital they're in charge of everything