Sonic Youth new album "Rather Ripped"

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I wasn't expecting Sonic Youth to enter their poppiest phase in 2006.

Call me crazy, but this is the album they should have released after "Daydream Nation" (first album on a major label, "alt rock" breaking through on the radio, why not?)

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 20 April 2006 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

First thing I've read that has sparked any interest!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i like tom surgal's responsive patterin' to thurston on the lydia's moth/not me cd. i'm kinda bored by steve shelley's latter-period sy accompaniment, for their more straight-ahead stuff. i guess it works though. he does have an assertive gallop, and provides sufficient grooves. incinerate feels a lot like dinosaur jr. thurston's vocals recall j mascis

Matos, thanks for the tip on the meters' funk, it's anything but rigid.

mono tony, Thursday, 20 April 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

or's got some nice ring to it.

mono tony, Thursday, 20 April 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Not like it's anything new exactly, but some of the vocals on this sound terrifyingly like Kim Fowley.

Shelley sometimes reminds me a bit of Anton Fier with the bu-bu-ba, bu-bu-ba thing, which might be part of why a lot of recent SY reminds me of Chatham + vocals, which never seems quite as compelling as turning Branca into pop. I'm thinking you could probably sneak Die Donnergotter past a lot of casual SY fans these days, something that couldn't have happened in '87.

dlp9001, Thursday, 20 April 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"some of the vocals on this sound terrifyingly like Kim Fowley"

!

(Surely not as spazzed out?)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The drumming on "Karenology" from Murray Street is pretty fucking amazing.

Mr. Macaroni Face, Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Shelley is an integral part of SY's sound. If the band wanted to experiment with different configurations, why not swap out one of the guitars for some keyboards? Or a sympathetic sax player like maybe Mats Gustaffson (and actually turn him up so that we can hear him and give him some room to stretch out - unlike the way that the Borbetomagus guys were used on "Murray Street")?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim, (regarding Fowley) the comparison that probably shows it best is "Sleepin Around" from the new SY vs. Fowley's "Dancing All Night" (from International Heroes). In many ways, they're the same song.

Fowley wasn't *always* spazzed out...there's this hyper-aware "rock and roll voice" thing going on on some of his more straightforward stuff that's very similar to the current SY vocal style. It's probably always been there, but seems to be increasing. Or maybe it's just that the vocals are so far forward on this one.

dlp9001, Friday, 21 April 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It would be really sweet if Sonic Youth did a record with some kind of Cecil Taylor-ish piano player. Or just Cecil Taylor, I guess.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Cecil Taylor playing on a rock record. A regular Bruce Hornsby.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Who said that it had to be a rock record?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Sonic Youth is a rock band, weren't you just talking about Shelley's "signature gallop"? Just made me wonder if you've ever heard Cecil Taylor is all.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Or Sonic Youth.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i always wanted sonic youth to cover morton feldman. of course it would sound something like syr4, but prettier and more starks

mono tony, Friday, 21 April 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe if Sonic Youth were Boredoms and Cecil Taylor was Dave Burrell circa Skillfullness. I'd buy that record.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to comment about the people who don't like the cover of Rather Ripped (the proper one, not the fake make-up mirror one). I immediately recognized it as in the vein of the gig flyers from the early '80s, examples of which you can see in the new reissue of the Sonic Youth ep and various other cd booklets. Being their Geffen contractual obligation record, using such a retro image seems like a nice way to bring things full circle back to their roots. To the person who said "Please tell me they're not using that cover, it doesn't suit their sound," I have to wonder how much thought you've given Sonic Youth if you think that--not to mention if you think you are a better judge of what belongs on their covers than they do.

Chris Perry, Friday, 21 April 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Cecil Taylor playing on a rock record. A regular Bruce Hornsby

I could picture Cecil playing along with a rock band - he'd just kind of do his thing and the band would do theirs - sort of like the duo concert (later released as a record) he did with Mary Lou Williams where she was playing boogie-woogie and stride stuff while Cecil pounded away with the cluster chords and chromatic runs.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

some of the guitars remind me of smashing pumpkins' "1979."

i dunno how i feel about this record.

strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

That Cecil Taylor/Mary Lou Williams record is AWESOME. Was she like a deer in the headlights, though? like she didn't know what she was getting into, though she played her ass off and stood up for herself. I totally see your point, though. I was thinking of supersensitive sparring partners like Tony Oxley vs. what I imagine CT playing with Steve Shelley to be like.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

some of the guitars remind me of smashing pumpkins' "1979."

Yes, thats what "jams run free" sounds like!

mts (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Has it been confirmed that Mark Ibold will be replacing Jim O'Rourke on bass for the tour?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

'lights out' has nice melody and feeling. i like the lyric "she scans the room for a star to consume"

mono tony, Friday, 21 April 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

that smoldering white-noise guitar on 'rats' is the high point of the record for me

6335, Friday, 21 April 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Has it been confirmed that Mark Ibold will be replacing Jim O'Rourke on bass for the tour?

I haven't seen a confirmation of this yet, but when I first heard about it a couple days ago I was immediately reminded of how bad Free Kitten was. Please, music gods, do not let this happen.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

On the contrary: if Mark joined on bass, I'd have to offer him a million dollars to convince SY to perform a Dustdevils cover (his old band). My dream come true!

dlp9001, Friday, 21 April 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris Perry - I'm not very good at following label ins and outs - I take it SY are off Geffin after this. Do they have a new home?

thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Ibold is defniitely playing with SY for the tour. Great news in my opinion.
Also, Rather Ripped reminds me of Crooked Rain Crooked Rain era Pavement. I'm loving it. Kim has never sounded sultrier.

juno crunch, Friday, 21 April 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"Mark Ibold is a fantastic bass player"

SORRY! I COULD NOT RESIST!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

when I first heard about it a couple days ago I was immediately reminded of how bad Free Kitten was.

Why don't you think instead of how awesome he was in Pavement?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

uh, maybe because Free Kitten was the band he was in with Kim? actually, I liked Sentimental Education, that was a weird album.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 22 April 2006 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

To be fair, I never heard Sentimental Education, only Nice Ass (and that was actually just "ass").

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The album's working title was "Sonic Life".

Cougar, Saturday, 22 April 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

some of the guitars remind me of smashing pumpkins' "1979."

"1979" always reminded me of the song "Psychic Hearts" by Thurston Moore.

Vic Funk, Saturday, 22 April 2006 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

to be honest, i never listened to pavement records for their basslines. in the meantime, i will attend the SY 25th anniversary show in june and decide after ive seen him play.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 22 April 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

take a look at Beck's "SEA CHANGE" thread, with the new posts after 3 years, and think about the post on this thread in 2009..
the test of time and dead of hype will do their job, as almost always.

show me some great monkeys, Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

hello internets, i stopped paying attention to SY when they released Goo. are they any better these days?

Good Dog (Good Dog), Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"hello internets, i stopped paying attention to SY when they released Goo. are they any better these days? "

no."goo" was their last great album.

eccentric ex, Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes.

Darren Skuja, Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen the Sea Change thread, but I ADORED that album. I couldn't understand why it wasn't being hailed as a masterpiece. I'll go look now....

Reading all these Rather Ripped impressions, AND, waiting for June 13, is a wonderful experience! Thank you all.

Cecil taylor RULES, OK? :)

Darren Skuja

Darren Skuja, Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"Sonic Youth, please break up" -- Amy Phillips, Village Voice 2002

"As long as the squares write stuff like that you know you must be doing something right" -- Fred "Sonic" Smith onstage circa 1978

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Sort of an interesting setlist for their first Rather Ripped show, from Thursday night:

Incinerate
Sleepin' Around
Do You Believe In Rapture
Pink Steam
Shakin' Hell
Rats
Pacific Coast Highway
Stones
Turquoise Boy
Lights Out
Sunday
Brother James
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Making The Nature Scene
Or
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Mote

They haven't done "Sunday" since the NYC Ghosts + Flowers tour, "Shakin' Hell" hasn't been around since maybe 1985 as far as I know, and it's strange that they only did one of Kim's new tunes. "Mote" and "Brother James" are high up on my list of songs that I'd like to see them do (both are pretty common, but I've never seen them), so that's rad.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

more importantly, why is "Stones" the only holdover from the last few albums? it definitely kinda grew on me after seeing them play it live, but it still seems like a weird choice.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 22 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Sort of sad to see they didn't include "The Neutral." That's quickly becoming my favorite Kim song ever. But it's only the first show, so maybe it will make an appearance.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, nice to see "sunday" on there ... 'a thousand leaves' needs the attention. i've always felt they avoid their recent material too much live. it's been fine, they've been fantastic almost every time i've seen them in recent years, but so many of those 'thousand leaves' songs (e.g. "wildflower soul," "hits of sunshine," "karen koltrane") totally kill live.

rajeev (rajeev), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I figure those four Kim songs that were unplayed featured Kim on guitar, and this show was only the four of them without an additional bass player.

i've always felt they avoid their recent material too much live.

Wait, you mean the most recent oldies, right? Because they always play most of/all of whatever is the newest record in any given show since Evol. I figure they cut the most recent material because they play it to death every show for a year or two, and they might just need space from it before coming back to it again. In the case of NYC Ghosts, that album wasn't popular, so I think that played a role in why those songs (except for a few rare performances of "Nevermind") were not played on the Murray Street or Sonic Nurse tours. However, all of the Murray Street songs except for "Sympathy For The Strawberry" and "Radical Adults..." were played on the Sonic Nurse tour - "Empty Page" and "Rain On Tin" quite often.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, exactly, just the recent oldies. they've played tons off the newest album every time i've seen them, along with a core set of classics. you're right on much on 'murray street' making it into the 'sonic nurse' shows, i partly ascribe that to jim being in the mix.

i guess it's 'washing machine' and 'thousand leaves' that i miss the most. might have something to do with their gear being stolen (sadly).

rajeev (rajeev), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't most if not all of the stolen gear actually recovered within the last year or two?

Matthew, since you're the expert on this, what are my chances of actually witnessing "Teenage Riot" or "Titanium Expose" on this tour?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"Titanium Expose" is very unlikely - that hasn't been done since the Goo period, and I don't feel like it's a likely song to make a comeback. The only Goo songs that have been performed since 93 have been "Kool Thing" and "Mote."

"Teenage Riot" is one of the most common oldies, and I figure your chances are fairly good. However, it was pretty common on the Sonic Nurse tour, and so it might be less common this time around. I figure they might switch back to "Silver Rocket" or "Candle" for a Daydream-era Thurston tune. "Eric's Trip" is extremely common, if you're into that one.

Commonly (and less commonly) played oldies in the past few years include: "Bull in the Heather," "Skip Tracer," "100%," "Sugar Kane," "Drunken Butterfly," "Kool Thing," "Mote," "Teenage Riot," "Candle," "Silver Rocket," "Eric's Trip," "Kissability," "Schizophrenia," "Catholic Block," "Pacific Coast Highway," "White Cross," "Cotton Crown," "Expressway To Yr Skull," "Tom Violence," "Shadow of a Doubt," "Brother James," "Making The Nature Scene," "Inhuman," "The Burning Spear," and "She Is Not Alone."

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a few songs that I'm kinda rooting for, in terms of oldies that haven't been aired in a long time. I'd love to see some more Washing Machine material, but I think that there's equipment issues there. But aside from that, "Stereo Sanctity," "Tuff Gnarl," "The Sprawl," "Theresa's Sound-World," and "Starfield Road" would be really good selections to go with the Rather Ripped material.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link


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