To what degree will you support musicians who (openly, possibly or jokingly) include racist, sexist, homophobic, or bigoted messages in their music, or who privately hold such beliefs?

I blame Enoch Powell

I blame the internet.

Plus learn the difference between the Tigers and the White Sox, you stupid shit.

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:07 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

While "Disco Demolition" took place at Comiskey Park in Chicago, the White Sox were playing (or rather, forfeiting to) the Tigers that night.

Right, he implied they were the home team.

Hey Phil D., you happen to live anywhere near NYC? you wanna meet up for a chat?

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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The funny thing is, I live in Cleveland. IT'S LIKE HE KNEW SOMEHOW.

anybody who votes anything other than Option 1 is a disgusting savage imho

clusterfuck awaaaaaaaaay

― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 21, 2011 9:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlnbmZK7GxU

lol whiney yessssss

L-R: Bill Magill, me

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what time is it?

hey guys bill magill is NOT a racist. He doesn't like disco big deal. He doesn't like the music not because of who made it, he dismisses tons of music (inc metal bands) dont make mountains out of molehills jeez.

again, I don't think anyone actually called him racist

To what degree will you support musicians who (openly, possibly or jokingly) include racist, sexist, homophobic, or bigoted messages in their music, or who privately hold such beliefs?

It's never a good idea to fling words like retarded around but doing it in this thread with that title is just silly.

I'm more passive-aggressive about racial issues on the internet than you are!

whiney at least one poster was implying he was

Bill Magill is quite partial to a 'disco big deal' iirc

No big deal, thanks AG.

Bill this thread makes me miss football a LOT

It's never a good idea to fling words like retarded around but doing it in this thread with that title is just silly.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

qft, tbh

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3178687062_1b12731fb9.jpg

no worries bill, whilst i like chic and brass construction and bt express and i feel love is one of my favourite songs of all time, i generally don't like disco, but the idea that you dont like disco is because you are racist or homophobic or whatever is really silly. Yes I know some were/are like that but not everyone.

itt lotsa people who can't read or follow an argument.

Bill Magill spoke out against "Black" Metal the other day case closed imo

Disco Demolition Night: the "supermodel" who helped with that is also the lips in the opening credits of Rocky Horror Picture Show. I, for one, thought that was an essential piece of trivia to carry around.

I don't like black metal or disco (particularly) or hokum country music or opera so there.

wow I always thought it was Tim Curry

Anyway, this thread was really interesting; can we get back on track?

still waiting on sick mouthy's judgment iirc

weigh in!

I dig Bill more than a lot of people we share a love of the Sabs but this:

"a) attacking disco, or other rhythm based music, for being brainless, tuneless, cynical or whatever has nothing to do with racism and cannot possibly by seen as racism unless said attack explicitely says that "I hate nigger music because I hate niggers" or something like that."

did you ever take a sociology class and learn how institutionalized racism works, because you sound like a 15 year old libertarian kid right now

― maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:10 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This is fucking jive crap. Who'se worse, the 15 year old libertarian or the college freshman dorm philosipher majoring in "sociology". Tough call.

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is how I ended up imputing Geir's Cap'n-Save-the-National-Front post to Bill, and I don't think that was an entirely unfair move on my part - Whiney attacked the Geir post, Bill attacked Whiney's response as "college freshman dorm philosopher' hoo-hah, which I gather he did because Whiney used the term "institutionalized racism," which is an actual thing-in-the-world, not a college conceit - I should own however that I have a huge bug up my ass about people dismissing valid concerns on the grounds that they're big deals to college kids - "college kids care about this & are often inelegant in the way they formulate their arguments" does not speak, in any way, to the content of an argument

sorry to have copied in Geir's racist language, should have edited better

Disco Demolition Night: the "supermodel" who helped with that is also the lips in the opening credits of Rocky Horror Picture Show. I, for one, thought that was an essential piece of trivia to carry around.

I don't think this is true - those lips are Patricia Quinn's

Hey, what did I miss? Are we still talking about Graham Greene? Oh.

ilxor; I've written it but as a blogpost; set to auto-publish in about 3 hours. It's quite long.

But suffice to say, Kanye's a twat.

lol sickmouthy, nice! will watch for that

All I can say about Geir is, in future please bear in mind don't see clear don't see far

xxxxxp right on underrated, and getting after you for not contributing to the "reasoned and thoughtful discussion" is laughable considering the "fuck you fuck" snipe-fest this thread quickly devolved into: you had a really good point, and I didn't mean to detract from that...

I did not call Bill Magill racist, nor did I say that "not liking disco" is racist, NOR did I say that Bill said the thing that Geir said.

What I DID say was:

1. Categorically dismissing rhythm-based or dance music as being inartful and tuneless *can be* racist. (And, not so incidentally, homophobic.)
2. Eliding #1 above as "not liking disco" is some bullshit, and ppl should be called out on it.
3. Dismissing #1 above as "college philosipher [sic] jive" is ALSO some bullshit, and ppl should be called out on *that*, too.

I dig Bill more than a lot of people we share a love of the Sabs but this:

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/saab90-1.jpg

Before the private jets...

All I can say about Geir is, in future please bear in mind don't see clear don't see far

lol well done. I doff my cap to you sir

xxp I was a bit eye-rolley about Bill's first post but i think the elision referred to in 2) was made by Whiney, who DID say that not liking disco made you a racist

I like inference as much as the next person but can we please keep in mind the context under which this argument started, which was a massive Geirbomb?

I know, I only wish I'd had the energy to do a Geirbot/Wasteland.jpg mashup

I will buy stuff by dead racists. It is irrational, since money encourages record label, & it's not like I am checking their will to find out whether I am funding the Nico Foundation for Nordic Purity, but it doesn't feel so much like I am lining the pocket of evil. (tbh, this is more about books than music for me - mostly like wet music, but problems with all sorts of ppl I read from Larkin through Waugh to Celine)

am I a racist if I illegally download Chic albums?

so...

back to the original thread question ...

Where do we draw the line where we dont buy objectionable material/or by people with objectionable extreme views?

What do we do with Wagner?

hah xps

nothing objectionable with Wagner, I fucks with Wagner

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& to think i resisted 'c'mon goalkeeper not all PE teachers are racist'.