TS: Depeche Mode vs. New Order vs. Pet Shop Boys

xpost to pipecock: guess what? i disagree. and hey, they are, and have been for several hundred posts.

next up: a discussion involving depeche mode, dumpy's rusty nuts and dom's spunk, spread on a boot. because, hey, that's the joy of ILM, as opposed to -- say -- monomaniacal DM fans' private DM-only DM discussion board (DM).

grimly otm. Just because you disagree with the poll results, you shouldn't start saying "the poll is illegitimate".

sorry, i don't see what's so WTF about calling new order a synth pop band. a lot of their music (sure, not all), even their best known stuff, could be described that way

xposts

yep, it was a generalization guys; sorry to get yr panties in a wad

any winner in this poll is the right winner

This is completely correct. The only thing I dislike about this poll is the outright/implied hatred expressed towards Depeche Mode. I understand why some people want to leave their mopey teen years behind but DM expresses so much of that angst so well and in a manner far more adult than it should be expressed that I don't understand how people don't enjoy them. (I also don't understand how people can hate the singing, especially from Violator onwards, but that's a completely different thing.)

"xpost to pipecock: guess what? i disagree. and hey, they are, and have been for several hundred posts.

next up: a discussion involving depeche mode, dumpy's rusty nuts and dom's spunk, spread on a boot. because, hey, that's the joy of ILM, as opposed to -- say -- monomaniacal DM fans' private DM-only DM discussion board (DM)."

again, i do not put DM up on a pedestal or anything like that. but comparing them to PSB is like comparing John Coltrane to Kenny G. sure theyre both jazz sax players, but to compare them in any way is pretty stupid.

so which one is Kenny G, o enlightened one?

but to compare them in any way is pretty stupid

i) ever heard of objectivity?

ii) ever heard of criticism?

iii) ever heard of internet message boards?

iv) ever thought that calling everyone else "stupid" repeatedly might make you look ... well, you can work it out for yourself?

pipecock: He's not a pipe.

dan OTM!!! i cant figure out why you all hate depeche mode... and i got into these guys at age 21, just last year, so its not as though i love em for the "mope"--theyre just really fucking terrific songwriters

i actually don't think there's very much mode hate here at all, is there?

i don't hate them, i just lose interest in everything they did past a certain point. likewise new order and pet shop boys!

"so which one is Kenny G, o enlightened one?

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn"

come on now, surely you can tell by my posts....

"i) ever heard of objectivity?

ii) ever heard of criticism?

iii) ever heard of internet message boards?

iv) ever thought that calling everyone else "stupid" repeatedly might make you look ... well, you can work it out for yourself?

-- grimly fiendish"

i am not concerned with how i look to people. i truly dont give a fuck what you think about me. anyway, as i was saying, you can compare things all you want, but it doesnt make the comparison make any real sense. what really are the similarities between the PSB and DM? they both used synths and were around in the early 80s and were british. what else? i can think of so much music that fits into those categories, does that mean it all should be compared? in feeling and in quality, DM and PSB are not peers. one is a joke, one is not.

right, i give up. you clearly have the cognitive skills of a whelk.

I love Depeche Mode but I kind of hate Depeche Mode fans.

i love music but i kind of hate music fans.

"right, i give up. you clearly have the cognitive skills of a whelk.

-- grimly fiendish"

youre so superior to me beacuse you use $.50 words. congratulations, dood! you rule! have fun listening to the pet shop boys.

Tears For Fears >>>>>> Depeche Mode

oops.

Is pipecock 15-years-old?

Probably 45.

And very very lonely.

Sundar, you don't like New Order? wow... it's like i don't even know you!

i missed voting, but it would have been DM, NO, almost neck and neck for a while, but at the end, DM takes it easily when i think about which has affected me most. PSB distant 3rd. if the Cure had been in this poll also, they would have been riding right on NO's ass.

Just to annoy the goth even more, I venture that:

New Order > PSB > Human League > Depeche Mode

That's how I'd order those bands, FWIW.

I guess Erasure could have been another option, but they'd probably have come a distant fourth.

xpost bah pshaw. Human League don't have the career longevity.

we need a similar poll involving the cure.

xpost: which version of the human league?

NO > DM > dare-era human league > PSBs > human league post-dare

human league mk I >>> almost everything else in the world. new order being one of the exceptions, mind.

(i know, i know: we didn't break down NO or DM into versions either. but with the HL there's a spectacular and staggering divide, along the lines of JD/NO, so i think it's valid.)

(in fact: dare-era HL are more different to pre-dare HL than JD are to early NO.)

(i'll stop now.)

(A likely story!)

I love New Order, PSB, Depeche Mode, Human League, and Erasure and I don't care how you order them.

I thought we'd established that liking Depeche Mode is an American thing?

Or non-British at any rate

no, we hadn't. because it isn't.

that said: it is less "cool" to like DM in the UK than it is ... well, almost anywhere else. funny ... i was pondering this (no, really) in the gym this morning, listening to "playing the angel". i read somewhere, ages ago, that the reason for this was martin gore looking like such a knobber in his leather vest etc, but i can't believe this is the case.

hey ho. i've always loved 'em. in 1991 i had a massive poster of them (circa some great reward) on my bedroom wall. my friend shumon, probably the coolest man i've ever known, always thought they were cool. so i've been out and proud about them for years ;)

that said: it is less "cool" to like DM in the UK than it is ... well, almost anywhere else.

That's exactly what I mean. I think a lot of people in the UK thought they (Depeche Mode that is) were trying far too hard to come over all rawwwwwwwwwwwwwk 'n' roll with the leather trousers and the heroin and the whatnot when they stil considered them a nancyboy plinky-plonky synth band

A lot of people in the UK have cloth in their ears.

Depeche Mode were at their best as a nancyboy plinky-plonky synth band. Fantastic!

Nancyboy plinky-plonky synth bands have always been more popular in the UK than leather-trousering smacked-up pseudo-rockers

actually, you've cracked it: it's the KNOW YOUR PLACE mentality, innit?

A bit... also that wearing leather trousers and trying to be Jim Morrison was crap even when Jim Morrison did it

thing is, when i'd left school and was working for the DSS, i had hair, beard and leather trousers exactly like SOFAD-era dave gahan. i never got round to the tattoos, although i keep thinking about fixing that ;)

"Is pipecock 15-years-old?

-- JN$OT"

"Probably 45.

-- HI DERE"

if you average your two guesses, youd be pretty close.

"And very very lonely.

-- Ned Raggett"

it certainly depends on your definition of lonely. being married and having a kid and a cat could be lonely i guess, but not for me.

What's wrong with a nancyboy plinky-plonky synthband?

I mean, the same question should be applied to DM members themselves (AND Flood!!!!!!) in 1993 too, but, still....

NEW ORDER!!! Depeche Mode second, but only if you stop before late 80s.

I'm only about 1/3 of the way plowing through Depeche Mode's massive discography (currently jamming the one with "Blasphemous Rumours" on it), but I gotta say the haters in this thread are insane.

The correct answer to this thread is "all of 'em" ...

Poll remains correct.

Democracy workes in this case

Although if we're talking about the acts in terms of level of high quality over a sustained length of time, it's Pet Shop Boys, followed by Depeche Mode, followed by New Order.