Let's have a thread for Maximo Park, then

so, it seems that yesterday i inadvertedly bought an album by this bands guitarist, duncan lloyd, that came out on Warp a couple of years back.
thought it was going to be a laid back affair (the sticker on the cover promised 'sublime melodies'), whereas its all bit graham cox-esque, roughed up guitars, slacker vocals i.e. duncan has a love for 90s alt.rock
that said, i will probably listen to it lot more than the MP albums.

there are a surprising amount of Maximo Park threads on ILM. Have to say I've a soft spot for them and 'Apply Some Pressure' is one of the best mid-2000s indie landfill singles

Smh at people using the term "landfill indie" wrong. Again.

the_landfill_indie_defender has logged in

There does seem to be much more to MP than a lot of their supposed peers

Landfill indie refers specifically to the large crop of z-list indie bands/acts that appeared in the period after the Arctic Monkeys first album.

worst Philip Larkin line ever

Landfill indie is not: The Libertines, Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party, The Futureheads, Maximo Park.

Landfill indie is: The Wombats, The Pigeon Detectives, Scouting For Girls, Reverend & the Makers, The Ting Tings, Kate Nash etc.

what defines the border there? other than bands you like and bands you don't

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-giCdUbi1HA0/U_pQJHLfwxI/AAAAAAAAAmo/UJjSA91LImo/s1600/Sheep%2Band%2BGoats.jpg

Interesting that I'm being asked what defines the border when I've already supplied it.

I'm not expecting any reasonable conversation from Noodle Vague in this thread.

what defines the border there? other than bands you like and bands you don't

― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:31 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is exactly turrican's view and it's as incomprehensible as you might imagine

turrican are you saying it’s just a chronological thing rather than some sort of value judgement?

scouting for girls aren't even indie ffs

Jim: Not that I should need to point this out, but it's not.

Nick: It's both a value judgement and a chronological thing.

Did anyone actually read the Word Magazine article where the term initially appeared?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2236/2203715732_29f983424b_b.jpg

landfill indie referred to the glut of bad indie bands in the 00s, you can date this to after 2006 and the arctic monkey's first album if you would like - and if that's what the word article you refer to referred to - but the glut of shit indie bands of the 00s started after the strokes came out with is this it in 2001. bands that predate, or were contemporaneous to the the first arctic monkeys album such as the fratellis,the zutons, razorlight or the kooks are landfill indie or there is no point in having the term

The Fratellis (who released their debut album after the first Arctic Monkeys) and The Kooks (who also released their debut in 2006) are undoubtedly landfill indie.

kooks released their album on the same day as the arctic monkeys debut hence they did not come after the arctic monkeys

so no, they are not landfill indie according to your definition

The Vines and The Datsuns were certainly not to my taste, but neither of them were landfill indie. Every era has a glut of shit music - landfill indie refers to a specific period of shit music which roughly spans 2006-2009.

What are Maximo Park's attitudes to public transportation?

Are The Cribs landfill indie? Is 'Our Earthly Pleasures'?

The first Cribs album came out in 2004.

fuck sake

The success of the Arctic Monkeys debut is notable in that it had the record companies shitting themselves trying to sign the next Arctic Monkeys while people were still buying physical copies of music. Again, there's always been shit music, but from 2006-2009 there was a ridiculously high quantity (beyond the point of oversaturation) of god-awful z-list indie from a lot of newer and not-very-good artists - hence why the "landfill indie" term was coined. No wonder people started to get their musical kicks elsewhere.

i think there were some people getting their kicks elsewhere than indie before 2006

the problem with insisting on a prescriptivist definition of "landfill" is that it no longer describes the term as it's popularly used. in the same way that Don Quixote or A Tale of a Tub are postmodern works avant la lettre, "landfill" as a critical term has come to signify all kinds of noxious, space-consuming waste, dumped both before and after the article that may or may not have coined it. from the moment 3 or 4 white teenagers got together to generate the spirit of real music that had been missing from the landscape for too long, landfill was born. it's a state of mind, a vibe, a certain swagger.

There undoubtedly were, but I was referring to people who had become jaded with guitar music specifically as a consequence of that particular period.

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why as far back as 1980, Billy Joel wrote

"Razorlight, 3 chord shite, as long as it's fully white
It's all landfill shit to me"

Turrican is right chuffed he gets to teach about landfill indie again ;-)

The Creation Myths of Landfill Indie by JRR Turrican.

(xp) You may as well send for an expert at times like this.

Only an expert

What good is a term if it can't be used to shit on Razorlight?

that was the point Billy Joel was making

solid chuckles at jrr turrican

the problem with insisting on a prescriptivist definition of "landfill" is that it no longer describes the term as it's popularly used.

It's popularly used by people that feel they're somehow above a certain type of music from a certain era to dismiss said type of music from said era entirely. Misusing the term is convenient for them, because it makes them feel marginally more clever saying it vs. "I don't like this music", which is what they really mean to say.

"landfill" as a critical term has come to signify all kinds of noxious, space-consuming waste, dumped both before and after the article that may or may not have coined it.

Every era has had it's fair share of shit music, and shit music happens across all genres, but I can say with absolute certainty that I've never once read or heard the word "landfill" used to describe any other type of music or era.

from the moment 3 or 4 white teenagers got together to generate the spirit of real music that had been missing from the landscape for too long, landfill was born. it's a state of mind, a vibe, a certain swagger.

I rest my case.

Steering the topic back to Maximo Park, though, I have a hell of a lot of time for their first two albums and even like about half of their third, but I think they'd said all they needed to say by then.

Self-clowning scarcely covers it.

what have I come back to? lol

Did anyone actually read the Word Magazine article where the term initially appeared?

the canonical magazine first appearance was actually retconned a couple years later. just called Andrew H. on the phone, he agrees Maximo Park was definitely landfill indie as of the critical reassessment of the chronology at the official meeting in 2011

When was it first used?

even in 2005 when I saw them at Glastonbury I knew they were landfill, but they were a brilliant fun live band.

they were on the same afternoon/stage as Art Brut and Departure.

what a day.

I was just surprised that they've been going on so long, regularly churning out albums every couple of years. also impressed their last one made it as high as something like number 12 in the UK album charts in 2017. always wonder how these sorts of bands keep going, keep selling records despite having had their 15 seconds of fame over ten years ago

well tbf, to get to number 12 in the uk album charts in 2017 only required selling about 40 copies

^ this

Earliest mention on ILX:

Teenagers in Crisis:

NME = landfill indie
Kerrang = mallcore rock

― djmartian, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:01 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/rmjdvp/landfill-indie-johnny-borrell-razorlight-the-strokes-kooks-definitive-history

That Dakota vs Sex On Fire resemblance is quite uncanny