where American Idol (and Pop Idol, X Factor, et fucking cetera) made an industry performing what i once considered a very valuable service - namely, proving again and again to young Americans that being famous involves actual practice and skill rather than sheer cheek - this whole ARK thing is like the backlash, the anti- American Idol. we will create this little bubble of yes-men for you.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
actual music writers feel free to expand that into an article for the Observer
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
idk i don't think that's the case really, unless they planned this to happen alla long, which...idk, how could they? seems like all of this itunes stuff is just an attempt to strike while the iron is hot briefly exists. what the ark actually do is just a manifestation of a thing that's long existed, this whole "pretend you're a pop star for a day!" competition prize thing.
i think reality tv & the internet have long proved to young people everywhere that being famous requires no practice or skill whatsoever
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
How far did Jedward get on X-Factor?
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
how much money can you make from a video with 4 million views btw?
― taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
$23.59
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah lex that why i say i "once considered" because pretty quickly after the first couple of seasons of these shows the (often totally incompetent) runners-up became even bigger stars
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i should correct this - becoming famous doesn't necessarily require practice or skill, but once you're known for a certain thing you do or a certain persona or a certain look, maintaining that to stay famous probably requires as much practice and skill as anything else
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i just feel like ARK is totally catering to all the people who are like man, american idol would be perfect if we could just get rid of all the snooty judges
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ARK is catering to people with more money than they know what to do with
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
like these ARK videos are the stuff of Adorno's nightmares
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
nah that would be the russian hebeprhenic winning Stravinsky vs Schönberg
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
like who though? you've got your one-off freakshows like jedward but i think most of the people getting famous through XF and AI are still the ones deemed competent. i'm not sure the ark has anything to do with that - it may be a factory but it's so amateur - their MO isn't "we'll make you a superstar" it's "we'll make you feel like a pop star for a day"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
have you read his Cadillacs essay, nakh?
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:09 PM (7 minutes ago)
the thought did occur to me that this is all a scam to make millions of AdSense dollars from views
― corey, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Surprised they don't have ads on the Youtube...
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:18 (1 minute ago)
no, do you know the title?
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Why Rebecca Black's Much-Mocked Viral Hit 'Friday' Is Actually GoodThe teen unknown's surprise internet hit is an unintentional parody of modern pop
By Matthew PerpetuaMARCH 15, 2011 1:15 PM ET
Rebecca Black's "Friday," a song and music video produced by the Los Angeles company Ark Music Factory, has gone viral over the past few days, bubbling up from Tumblr and Twitter to become one of 2011's fastest-growing memes. The clip has already been parodied, covered and remixed many times over, and will likely inspire further variations as it spreads throughout internet communities and pop culture. The fascination with the video mainly comes down to its subpar production values, grating hooks and extraordinarily stupid lyrics. (This is a song that makes a point of explaining the sequence of days in the week.)
But there's something else going on here, something that makes "Friday" uniquely compelling. After all, there's no shortage of insipid failed pop music out there, and Ark Music Factory is responsible for many other music videos by young unknowns that are just as cringe-inducing, if not much worse. When you see this video, you immediately notice everything that it does "wrong," but it actually gets a lot of things about pop music right, if just by accident.
For one thing, Black's voice is totally bizarre. It's not just the processing on her vocals – she has a peculiar tonality that inadvertently highlights the absurdity of boilerplate pop lyrics that may not seem as ridiculous if, say, Katy Perry was singing instead. When she sings the "Friday, Friday" hook or the "fun fun fun fun" refrain, she sounds unlike anything else in pop music. Perhaps the closest comparison is Laraine Newman in Saturday Night Live's Coneheads sketches – pinched and stilted, like an alien attempting to pass an average American girl. Obviously, this isn't the most pleasant sound in the world, but Black comes out sounding like a distinct singer with an alluring sort of anti-charisma.
With a voice as strange as this, Black probably doesn't belong in the world's most generic modern pop song, but here she is. "Friday" is exactly what you expect from teen-oriented pop in 2011, from the sing-song melodies on down to a guest spot from an anonymous rapper who's only tangentially related to the rest of the song. If the video was intended to be a parody of teen pop convention, it would be on par with some of the best SNL Digital Shorts by Lonely Island.
And thus Black and Ark Music Factory have made a video that forces its audience to reckon with a particular formula for pop music. It's not as if any of this was ever actually cool, but suddenly it seems as if any legit pop singer goes anywhere near the vibe of "Friday," it will just seem like a joke.
― taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
"an alluring sort of anti-charisma", fuck me
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
rich kid karaoke is the new punk rock
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Lo, his writing style is more amateur than Rebecca Black's performance.
― taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp - i don't remember off the top of my head, but there's also an essay critiquing it called something very close to "Adorno Meets the Cadillacs" that is also worth reading. Both were on the syllabus for Popular Music Criticism class I took in college 15 years ago.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Tracer wasn't in this class, I think I was the only MCM person in it - everyone else was Ethnomusicology grad students iirc
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah will read that, thanks
users.ipfw.edu/tankel/PDF/Gedron.pdf
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I said the same shit as Perpetua way, way upthread in like one tenth of the words: Yeah, kinda struggling to find a meaningful, useful difference between these and, e.g., Ke$ha, who is equally as retarded and equally manufactured but doesn't have the excuse of age or ambitious stage parents. It's razor-thin line between "Wake up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy" and "Hannah Montana is wearing my jeans."
― Ian Curtis danced like a tortured chicken DO U SEE (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
il perpetua anorexico
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"Friday" is exactly what you expect from teen-oriented pop in 2011, from the sing-song melodies on down to a guest spot from an anonymous rapper who's only tangentially related to the rest of the song. If the video was intended to be a parody of teen pop convention, it would be on par with some of the best SNL Digital Shorts by Lonely Island.And thus Black and Ark Music Factory have made a video that forces its audience to reckon with a particular formula for pop music. It's not as if any of this was ever actually cool, but suddenly it seems as if any legit pop singer goes anywhere near the vibe of "Friday," it will just seem like a joke.
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
iow i think everyone is just making up excuses for enjoying a silly catchy novelty song
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
her voice isn't that distinct.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
someone should arrange this for big band and do a sinatra impression over it
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
waiting for power metal cover, personally.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm late to the party on this whole thing, but is Ark Music Factory like the 2011 version of those 'Song Poem' records? You know, "we'll set your lyrics to music, just send us money?"
― Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
a peculiar tonality
I don't hate on this dude like everybody tends to but I really, really, really, really wish music writers would think twice, or three times, even, before using a word like "tonality" - it's fine to not actually have studied musical terminology (I guess, and even if it isn't fine, the horse has left the barn) but using it like you knew what it meant is a bummer
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
xp essentially
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm late to the party on this whole thing, but is Ark Music Factory like the 2011 version of those 'Song Poem' records? You know, "we'll set your lyrics to music, just send us money?"― Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
my old housemates had a business doing this for a while
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
man aero how many horses are even left in yr barn???
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
gbx, great screen name. I'll research new one stat...
― Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
her voice is just funny because it's monotone and slightly worried, like she is nervous about screwing up and this nervousness/the song's general ridiculousness is getting in the way of her connecting to it at all; she is singing the same way you dance when you're hauled on stage during dinner at Uncle Billy's Restaurant in scenic Hilo, Hawaii to learn and dance the Hukilau while everyone laughs and takes pictures of you, which is basically exactly what is happening, except it's happening with an incongruous budget and on youtube
ke$ha is awesome and not remotely like this at all but we don't need to go into that
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I know I flog the hell outta that phrase
you might say I'm flogging a
well you get the general idea
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel kinda bad for her tbh, imagine if that fake pop song you recorded in your bedroom when you were 12 was all of a sudden being parodied by 5 million ppl and perpetua was calling you non-charismatic
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't someone do a record/project releasing these Song Poems years after the fact?
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
perpetua was calling you non-charismatic
pretty sure even a 13-year-old can get the irony here
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
hueg lol
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:44 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark
haha, no worries, entirely possible i poached it?? the whole song is potential display names imo
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqn-I5u1MY
xp to sarahel
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i just really want to know if the other kids in that video were her real friends or not.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i was emotionally scarred by "You Can't Do That On Television" where one of the girls on the show is told that all the other kids were paid by her parents to be her friends, and she doesn't have any real friends. Most of this was due to people in grade school telling me I kinda looked like that girl.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"the world's most generic modern pop song"
I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS
actual modern pop songs really don't use this narrating-everything-as-you-go lyrical style? as anyone who actually listens to pop music would know? jesus, perpetua.
― c sharp major, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:44 (1 minute ago)
that shit is the worst, like beyond the guetta principle in terms of 2k10s aesthetic vileness
awkward tween singing silly naive song about the end of the school week having meme fame accidentally foisted upon her vs relentlessly ugly frat hedonist retard anthems
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
you're not supposed to say that!!!
― sarahel, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link