frat rap

Yeah the Big Beat era version of brostep was like def Crystal Method. Except stuff like Prodigy/Fatboy Slim def had both Spin/bro crossover. I don't think ANY dubstep/"dubstep" artist is successfully reaching both audiences right now!

yeah the "The Two Dubsteps" thing is def a separate matter, I was just responding to the "now bros think it's ok to listen to electronic music" thing.

The Two Dubsteps reminds me of The Two Emos.. seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

http://grab.by/9rPk

"The Two Dubsteps"

I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

can we please not mention one of the secretly best albums of the '00s in connection w/ this mass popularization of electro/dubstep ;_;

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, but mopeyemo had like a solid 10 years of indie-level post-Rites Of Spring star tattoo messenger bag ish before the other thing sort of grew as a logical mainstream Alt-Press extension of it. The two dubsteps both sort of came to their peaks of attention at the same time!

which is why it's confusing. It's not like the 10 year gap between Black Flag and Youth Of Today on some "don't call this hardcore, this is not what I call hardcore" hairsplitting. Its two distinct sounds with two distinct audiences, rising at the same time, both with the same name and often completely unaware of the others' existence!

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

one of the secretly best albums of the '00s

i.e. the one everyone writes off as way inferior to Homework (zzzzz) and Discovery

When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."

I mean, this disparity might say a lot more about the sheltered world that WE (as music nerds/hipsters/indie-type/et al) live in, than the way fratbros react to music. I mean, I had like 900 posts in the last three years like "No one listens to dubstep" when I really meant "No one listens to the type of lol dubstep we talk about, because I'm mostly unaware of this bigger trend also occuring"

deej would you mind if we changed the thread title to "frat rap (also brostep and mainstream-indie discussion too)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmkJD26A7E

learning abt "brostep" may force me to redo hipness rankings for some of my casual acquaintances

because there are definitely ppl i have seen make comments about "dubstep" on facebook or w/e and i just assumed they were talking about cool artistically-credible underground music

and even when it seemed out-of-character i just sorta went "well good for burial! never thought american audiences would be so into this sound!"

basically i have been living a lie
a dream from which i am just now waking up

turns out those losers were just having a good time

a lil late on the jam band vibes but its scene i find p fascinating - gbx generally v otm on the topic is widely off here:

(not to prompt a dead v. ICP popularity contest---just that ICP has, simply by existing ~when~ they exist, pushed more units and sold more tickets (maybe) than the Dead. )

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close - and then THIS:

our v own aerosmith has played on TV (great work btw), but widespread panic has sold out red rocks 35 times (according to wiki) and i'd hazard one of those gigs is more lucrative than the other, both in the short- and long-term

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude i think youre forgetting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfNmyxV2Ncw

i mean

Can ILM's board description be changed to "music and how to hate on it" please?

i guess i wonder who first began marketing this music to them as "dubstep"

like, the other meaning was pretty well-established before brostep appeared, no?

it reflects a very strange position in the world is all. like learning that someone reads "legal thrillers" that are actually magazines full of stories about dumb criminals.

or an offshoot from the "original" dubstep evolved into something other people wanted to listen/dance/party to, who knows...

the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close

mea culpa

xp no it sucks

not that i have anything invested in "the 'original' dubstep" — i just didn't realize the extent to which the term had been genericized. like i understand that "rave" = any kind of lowest-common denominator thumping electronic tedium, but i didn't realize the same thing had happened to what i still think of as a fairly narrow 'boutique' genre term. (better analogy than the 'legal thriller' one would be learning that millions of ppl think of "Hey Soul Sister" as 'freak-folk')

Homework (zzzzz)

― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

you're dead to me

so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear - its like someone just applied a corny populist party filter to it - on a side note its kinda hilarious that this should happen to dubstep in that it seems to be music that takes itself seriously

xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.

i knew a dude that went to this -- never heard of any of these "dubstep" artists

http://www.clubzone.com/events/view_event_image.asp?/events/images/324657/324657-1.jpg

itt americans talk about dubstep :(

When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

hahahaha yes i remember in like 2006 i went to dubstep night at this club in austin and it was literally a bunch of ilxor-lookin-boys standing with their hands in the hoodie pockets and headphones around their necks nodding their heads sagely, then years later i realized there were like 5 dubsteps nights downtown now and that they couldn't all be ilxor lookin boys in hoodies not-dancing

xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.

― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

to all kinds of music

'pop music'
'club music'
'hippity-hop music'

but i would honestly rather dance to lady gaga than this shitty shitty shit

(i don't like lady gaga very much and i think she is just okay for dancing to, if that wasn't clear)

your hipness ranking was in jeopardy til you cleared that up

yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.
― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

i know it's ilx but it's not 2005

so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw

^ listening back through something like this ... the big-wobbly-bass thing around 0:40 is obviously what I'd think of as dubstep, but so much other stuff -- the electroish sound palette, the regularity of the beats -- always makes me think of it some other way. (informative thread! learning and whatnot!)

Yeah it basically takes those wobbly Joker-like bass drops that sounds great when you are stoned and drops them into Crystal Method-style big beat, makes sense that it would play well in a jam band-y festival kind of setting.

also an important link in this whole dubstep discussion is probably study abroad programs

note I know nothing about dubstep but I see the word a lot on the internet

mac millar looks and sounds like he's missing at least a couple of important chromosomes, imo. like this is what happens when cousins marry, etc. fella is a walking, talking, mouth-breathing "whitest kids u know" sketch.

when a form of "british bass music" crosses the atlantic, you it's entered some sort of mannerist, walking dead phase.

x-post

http://www.metalinsider.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bob-marley-jimi-hendrix-t-shirt11-300x300.jpg

hehe, i love those shirts.

A few of my friends have been making fun of "dubstep" for maybe a year now and complaining about it being played in too many clubs. A few times I've gotten on a bit of a soapbox and scolded them for talking shit about a sub-genre that they clearly knew nothing about, since I'd never heard any kind of the post-burial stuff talked about on ilx in clubs. I just figured they heard a silly-sounding genre name and decided to pick on it and use it as a catch-all term for electronic music, sort of like the new "techno" or "electronica".

the dubstep bass-drops are such a weird motif to orient an entire genre around imo

i stumbled over that Salem album on my ipod before going on a run today, and gave it a listen cuz of this thread. it sucks.

the dubstep bass-drops are such a weird motif to orient an entire genre around imo

― deej, Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:04 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like the "mosh part" of anthrax songs :: NY hardcore

asked my 16-year-old Odd-Future listening son if he'd heard of rappers Mac Miller and Sam Adams mentioned upthread. He said he had--Miller he pronounced ok, Adams he said was terrible.

By coincidence an oar live thing was just on mhd.

I watched it. Pretty bad.

Also they have no connection to the dead or even wide spread. Not hippies.

Basically there are people for whom the first counting crows record is sgt peppers. Throw in a little dmb guitar center jackoffery and voila

just remembering that when I was at penn state for a summer like 8 years ago bros were listening to happy hardcore and sandstorm

brostep seems like a logical extension

people who're into Kanye are into the narrative of when he got good & does he keep getting better or when does he "start to suck," etc -- this narrative doesn't appeal to fans of the bands we're talking about; these bands consist largely of "players" (jazz dudes use this term just meaning "guys who can really play") who can hit a groove & hold it and that's not really something you lose if you're always out there, really you just keep getting better as long as your health holds. when you're a pop star your days are numbered. people who go see Ratdog in 2011 first saw Weir sing "Truckin'" in 1978.

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:44 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this seems pretty otm to me - we ilxor-lookin dudes do love bands & artists whose story arcs parallel those whom we know and love

by the way, 200 posts and nobody's mentioned GIRL TALK yet