I would def lump Arcade Fire in with Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon and not with Sonic Youth.
― frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
challops4u
― frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, I must be really out of touch -- I'd have assumed quote-unquote "fratty" electronic tastes would run more toward that big grinding straightahead electroish stuff like Deadmau5 or Skrillex
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney mentioned both of them a few posts back!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
oops sorry Whiney, you just said that! but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????" I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????"
They do now. In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
xp bros listened to Prodigy and Fatboy Slim too..
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, googling "skrillex dubstep" really firmly answered that question for me. meanwhile, the 8 billion publicity emails I've gotten about him all just say "electro."
xpost -- prodigy seems exactly right!
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Crystal Method too. All that 'mainstream' big beat stuff, bros listened to. I remember someone 10 years ago - could've been on ilm - making fun of bros for saying they liked electronica "because they listened to Sasha & Digweed."
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Justice surely is another bridge at work here.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
where's your head at
― dell (del), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, I imagine it's super-rare that I type the exact same sentence as Whiney about something, but:
what hath asher roth wrought
^ this is, verbatim, the sentence I used when I heard Tom Hanks's son rapping about Northwestern ("White and Purple") and shouting out dorms
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i followed rapping hanks son on twitter for a min, he wasnt even funny :/
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm the rappin hanks and i'm here to say
― dell (del), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is like the tiniest of small victories, but feels good nonetheless :)
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah the Big Beat era version of brostep was like def Crystal Method. Except stuff like Prodigy/Fatboy Slim def had both Spin/bro crossover. I don't think ANY dubstep/"dubstep" artist is successfully reaching both audiences right now!
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the "The Two Dubsteps" thing is def a separate matter, I was just responding to the "now bros think it's ok to listen to electronic music" thing.
The Two Dubsteps reminds me of The Two Emos.. seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://grab.by/9rPk
"The Two Dubsteps"
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal
can we please not mention one of the secretly best albums of the '00s in connection w/ this mass popularization of electro/dubstep ;_;
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, but mopeyemo had like a solid 10 years of indie-level post-Rites Of Spring star tattoo messenger bag ish before the other thing sort of grew as a logical mainstream Alt-Press extension of it. The two dubsteps both sort of came to their peaks of attention at the same time!
which is why it's confusing. It's not like the 10 year gap between Black Flag and Youth Of Today on some "don't call this hardcore, this is not what I call hardcore" hairsplitting. Its two distinct sounds with two distinct audiences, rising at the same time, both with the same name and often completely unaware of the others' existence!
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the secretly best albums of the '00s
i.e. the one everyone writes off as way inferior to Homework (zzzzz) and Discovery
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, this disparity might say a lot more about the sheltered world that WE (as music nerds/hipsters/indie-type/et al) live in, than the way fratbros react to music. I mean, I had like 900 posts in the last three years like "No one listens to dubstep" when I really meant "No one listens to the type of lol dubstep we talk about, because I'm mostly unaware of this bigger trend also occuring"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
deej would you mind if we changed the thread title to "frat rap (also brostep and mainstream-indie discussion too)"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmkJD26A7E
― It's obvious Weezy is feeling Wang on this, (lpz), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
learning abt "brostep" may force me to redo hipness rankings for some of my casual acquaintances
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
because there are definitely ppl i have seen make comments about "dubstep" on facebook or w/e and i just assumed they were talking about cool artistically-credible underground music
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
and even when it seemed out-of-character i just sorta went "well good for burial! never thought american audiences would be so into this sound!"
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
basically i have been living a liea dream from which i am just now waking up
turns out those losers were just having a good time
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
a lil late on the jam band vibes but its scene i find p fascinating - gbx generally v otm on the topic is widely off here:
(not to prompt a dead v. ICP popularity contest---just that ICP has, simply by existing ~when~ they exist, pushed more units and sold more tickets (maybe) than the Dead. )
― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close - and then THIS:
our v own aerosmith has played on TV (great work btw), but widespread panic has sold out red rocks 35 times (according to wiki) and i'd hazard one of those gigs is more lucrative than the other, both in the short- and long-term
― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude i think youre forgetting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfNmyxV2Ncw
i mean
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Can ILM's board description be changed to "music and how to hate on it" please?
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess i wonder who first began marketing this music to them as "dubstep"
like, the other meaning was pretty well-established before brostep appeared, no?
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it reflects a very strange position in the world is all. like learning that someone reads "legal thrillers" that are actually magazines full of stories about dumb criminals.
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
or an offshoot from the "original" dubstep evolved into something other people wanted to listen/dance/party to, who knows...
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close
mea culpa
― ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
xp no it sucks
not that i have anything invested in "the 'original' dubstep" — i just didn't realize the extent to which the term had been genericized. like i understand that "rave" = any kind of lowest-common denominator thumping electronic tedium, but i didn't realize the same thing had happened to what i still think of as a fairly narrow 'boutique' genre term. (better analogy than the 'legal thriller' one would be learning that millions of ppl think of "Hey Soul Sister" as 'freak-folk')
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Homework (zzzzz) ― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark
you're dead to me
― history mayne, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear - its like someone just applied a corny populist party filter to it - on a side note its kinda hilarious that this should happen to dubstep in that it seems to be music that takes itself seriously
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i knew a dude that went to this -- never heard of any of these "dubstep" artists
http://www.clubzone.com/events/view_event_image.asp?/events/images/324657/324657-1.jpg
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
itt americans talk about dubstep :(
― lex pretend, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark
hahahaha yes i remember in like 2006 i went to dubstep night at this club in austin and it was literally a bunch of ilxor-lookin-boys standing with their hands in the hoodie pockets and headphones around their necks nodding their heads sagely, then years later i realized there were like 5 dubsteps nights downtown now and that they couldn't all be ilxor lookin boys in hoodies not-dancing
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
to all kinds of music
'pop music''club music''hippity-hop music'
but i would honestly rather dance to lady gaga than this shitty shitty shit
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
(i don't like lady gaga very much and i think she is just okay for dancing to, if that wasn't clear)
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
your hipness ranking was in jeopardy til you cleared that up
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark
i know it's ilx but it's not 2005
― history mayne, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw
^ listening back through something like this ... the big-wobbly-bass thing around 0:40 is obviously what I'd think of as dubstep, but so much other stuff -- the electroish sound palette, the regularity of the beats -- always makes me think of it some other way. (informative thread! learning and whatnot!)
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link