Wait...I did? How?
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, allmusic.com changed my life. I think I read your review of "Where You Been" and DL'd the whole thing, eventually buying all the albums.
― Franklin_The_Turtle, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Ned's reviews got me into Nick Drake iirc
― frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
at a similar age
Really, I spent an obscene amount of time tracking down bands on there. Anything that mentioned "stuttering feedback snorts" etc. was guaranteed a listen. Once you get a fuzz habit, the tendency is to push it as far as it can go.
Homeschooling can really fuck a kid up, but by golly I was hip. I was pretty sure I was the only kid in town who listened to "Hex". Then again, I didnt know any other kids : p
― Franklin_The_Turtle, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
try breaking out of your shell
― dayo, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah, its very refined and cosy in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOl3YaDCQI
― Franklin_The_Turtle, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Nutty. Well, glad to be able to help! Seriously, that's pretty cool.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i hate to be this guy, but franklin this isn't THAT ned raggett
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Please, I'm trying to help him here and you are shattering his crystal palace.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
― Franklin_The_Turtle, Sunday, 13 March 2011 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link
also like frat audiences are responsible for like 95% of the dubstep bought in america, mostly by people youve never heard of, with like the other 5% being the dubstep pitchfork writes about and we post about
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:04 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
seriously over the last year or so i've had so many confused conversations with people about dubstep who're like 'oh rad you like dubstep?? who do you like??' and i'll mention some names and they'll mention some names and we'll slowly realize there's literally no overlap
i've been trying to figure out why this is
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 13 March 2011 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
dubstep is just an illusion hoos
― flopson, Sunday, 13 March 2011 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
flopson otm about dubstep!
i had genuinely assumed mac miller was a comedian. rather than just "as morally reprehensible as a comedian"
― lex pretend, Sunday, 13 March 2011 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link
saying you like "dubstep" is like saying you like "pop" or "rock" or "indie"
― frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 10:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i guess it is the 2k11 equivalent of using "techno" to mean "all electronic dance music"
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link
its definitely an internet myopia thing on your part HOOS. Like the circles we travel (Pitchfork, Quitus, Dusted, Brooklyn Vegan, blogs, ILX) treat dubstep as this post-Burial thing of murky sounds and moody textures (King Midas Sound, 2562, James Blake, Mount Kimbie, Shakleton, Zomby). Meanwhile--mostly thanks to Caspa & Rusko--there's been a whole other scene taking over bro-dudes who are into things like Coachella and Deadmu5 (Skrillex, Bassnectar, Trillbass, Boregore).
Problem is, rock critics only cover the former, and I think I like the brostep latter BETTER.
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
this is otm but in order to retain my cheery disposition I have to pretend he is notm
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I would def lump Arcade Fire in with Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon and not with Sonic Youth.
― frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
challops4u
― frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, I must be really out of touch -- I'd have assumed quote-unquote "fratty" electronic tastes would run more toward that big grinding straightahead electroish stuff like Deadmau5 or Skrillex
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney mentioned both of them a few posts back!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
oops sorry Whiney, you just said that! but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????" I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????"
They do now. In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
xp bros listened to Prodigy and Fatboy Slim too..
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, googling "skrillex dubstep" really firmly answered that question for me. meanwhile, the 8 billion publicity emails I've gotten about him all just say "electro."
xpost -- prodigy seems exactly right!
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Crystal Method too. All that 'mainstream' big beat stuff, bros listened to. I remember someone 10 years ago - could've been on ilm - making fun of bros for saying they liked electronica "because they listened to Sasha & Digweed."
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Justice surely is another bridge at work here.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
where's your head at
― dell (del), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, I imagine it's super-rare that I type the exact same sentence as Whiney about something, but:
what hath asher roth wrought
^ this is, verbatim, the sentence I used when I heard Tom Hanks's son rapping about Northwestern ("White and Purple") and shouting out dorms
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i followed rapping hanks son on twitter for a min, he wasnt even funny :/
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm the rappin hanks and i'm here to say
― dell (del), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is like the tiniest of small victories, but feels good nonetheless :)
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah the Big Beat era version of brostep was like def Crystal Method. Except stuff like Prodigy/Fatboy Slim def had both Spin/bro crossover. I don't think ANY dubstep/"dubstep" artist is successfully reaching both audiences right now!
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the "The Two Dubsteps" thing is def a separate matter, I was just responding to the "now bros think it's ok to listen to electronic music" thing.
The Two Dubsteps reminds me of The Two Emos.. seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno
― Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://grab.by/9rPk
"The Two Dubsteps"
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal
can we please not mention one of the secretly best albums of the '00s in connection w/ this mass popularization of electro/dubstep ;_;
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, but mopeyemo had like a solid 10 years of indie-level post-Rites Of Spring star tattoo messenger bag ish before the other thing sort of grew as a logical mainstream Alt-Press extension of it. The two dubsteps both sort of came to their peaks of attention at the same time!
which is why it's confusing. It's not like the 10 year gap between Black Flag and Youth Of Today on some "don't call this hardcore, this is not what I call hardcore" hairsplitting. Its two distinct sounds with two distinct audiences, rising at the same time, both with the same name and often completely unaware of the others' existence!
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the secretly best albums of the '00s
i.e. the one everyone writes off as way inferior to Homework (zzzzz) and Discovery
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, this disparity might say a lot more about the sheltered world that WE (as music nerds/hipsters/indie-type/et al) live in, than the way fratbros react to music. I mean, I had like 900 posts in the last three years like "No one listens to dubstep" when I really meant "No one listens to the type of lol dubstep we talk about, because I'm mostly unaware of this bigger trend also occuring"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
deej would you mind if we changed the thread title to "frat rap (also brostep and mainstream-indie discussion too)"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmkJD26A7E
― It's obvious Weezy is feeling Wang on this, (lpz), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
learning abt "brostep" may force me to redo hipness rankings for some of my casual acquaintances
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
because there are definitely ppl i have seen make comments about "dubstep" on facebook or w/e and i just assumed they were talking about cool artistically-credible underground music
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
and even when it seemed out-of-character i just sorta went "well good for burial! never thought american audiences would be so into this sound!"
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
basically i have been living a liea dream from which i am just now waking up