the juke/bmore/bloghouse frankenstein dance music they play at clubs

the difference in attitude, if it exists, is probably more attributable to political context and the cultural positions of the producers of the music than it is to the drugs

yes. i meant exactly that but am writing backwards it seems.

i a sick and my brain is not working very well but i have some friends who are into this music and i wonder about it a lot so i thought i would wager a guess. maybe tomorrow i can explain myself better.

re your point #1 - i don't agree, i think the ironic thing is that people like the DJs and producers who make this music are probably more aware than anybody else of all of the minutiae of chicago house, detroit techno, UK hardcore and rave, etc etc.

it seems like the kind of thing DJs are just 'into' and theres nothing that can be done. i tend to avoid clubs that play stuff like this but it still gets slipped in, even DJs who start off playing rap music end the night w/ this kind of shit.

i don't know, i think of it as the end result - or maybe just the current state - of a morbid fascination with remix / mixtape / mashup culture. maybe that's why its popular with DJs?

is it really a morbid fascination?

sort of

i think there really is a drive to make some of this stuff unpleasant. if you check out turntable lab they use "obnoxious" and "ridiculous" all the time as positive descriptors for fidget house

maybe i should have said "unhealthy fixation"

"re your point #1 - i don't agree, i think the ironic thing is that people like the DJs and producers who make this music are probably more aware than anybody else of all of the minutiae of chicago house, detroit techno, UK hardcore and rave, etc etc."

only on a purely aesthetic level though, which is the point i didnt make well.

yeah, i mean these guys are aware of history to a certain extent and they are consciously trying to make something 'edgy' and 'new' that selectively references that history. and in the end they wind up just completely fucking with those sounds and having little sense of respect for the history of dance music

see you dudes are good at making me WANT to like this stuff

this is gonna sound challopy so i'm sorry, but srsly what constitutes having respect for the history of dance music and why should someone dancing give a shit? also why are there like a billion genres of house lol XD

basically the same as what icecraem was sayin here

>>> and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right

― ice cr?m, Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:15 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

ok!

i duno, i think a lot of people don't give a shit and that's probably ok. it actually explains the appeal of this music to a certain category of people

can we not redo this kind of debate plz thnx -- see i think this stuff suxx but i dont care how much or little these dudes know about dance music history

sorry deej!

dont ruin deejs precious frankenstein dance thread

i just want recommendations for ass-shaking jams

no no u dudes are fine im just not wanting to hear from guys who think the problem is kids these days, they just dont KNOW or CERTAIN PEOPLE who just care about FASHION instead of MUSIC or whatever it was going on upthread

black ass thread for Confounded xp

to this day i just assume confounded is the man photographed here
black ass thread for Confounded

would make sense considering the caption

deej = #1 thread robocop

what do you know

xp --- what are u talking about j0rdan weve moved on to discussing the black ass thread

quit talking about a funny dude and get back to work discussing frankensteinish dance music and what the hell is up with it anyway

chill gbx i was cool with good times jokez too

i was under the impression we had *work* to do

yes. getting chicks to make out with each other.

ay this thread got good again

hows lol med school

sup joe, sup evan, sup jordan

lol finals next week :-/

but i'm killing time trying to play with traktor, hence my interest in quality jamz

have u heard this song called 'day and night (crookers remix)'? what do you think

and a lot of dance music is pretty intensely emotional and weird then theres shit like this thats jut lol dancing right

this stuff seems to be positioned against the intensely emotional and weird, and that's part of the appeal, isn't it? one is not supposed to give a fuck about anything. big beat looks like the progenitor, but instead of the drunken hooligan vibe it's more like ADHD carelessness

wiat that's the one with the guy in the convenience store with the babes

only on a purely aesthetic level though, which is the point i didnt make well.

― Shh! It's NOT Me!

well, i don't know what "a purely aesthetic level" is or would be like ... but i think the sense i get is that these guys have absorbed the dogma that what's thrilling about pop music is a lack of pretension, tossed-off-ness, not caring about rules, the right to be trashy, the ephemeral-ness of it, etc etc

it sort of sounds to me like they read a simon reynolds article on the greatness of early rave music and decided to build on that, almost by intentionally making all of the "bad taste" mistakes they can

i'm thinking specifically of, like, jokers of the scene and so on when i write this.

punk has a lot to answer for imo

yeah and a lot of this stuff has day glo aesthetics straight from the post-JW noise scene

not a coincidence that people listen to this stuff also listen to like, crystal castles and whatnot

pretty cool that this scene has made making shitty music a really truly democratic thing -- cant really blame patriarchy or racism as this stuff is being embraced across the spectrum

there are so many dj's all of the sudden

post-JW noise scene?

i like day glo!

noise scene way down hill after jw died ;_;

wait so was he really banned? i guess i haven't been paying attn

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