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oh sorry, I just meant the Honeymoon LP and the SVM 12", another master reel has apparently been lost forever.

sleeve, Thursday, 10 March 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

more info from Discogs:

Recorded @ Game Studio in Berlin-Kreuzberg in Jun/Jul-82 and @ Cold Storage Studios in London Aug-82, except for track 2 recorded @ New York City,Brooklyn,BC studio in May-87.

Initial mix by Steve Montgomery in London in Aug-82. Personnel in 1982 (at various intervals, but never all together): Lydia Lunch, Genevieve McGuckin, Murray Mitchell [13.13], Nick Cave, Mick Harvey, Rowland S. Howard and Tracy Pew.

Personnel in 1987: Lydia Lunch (voices)/ Thurston Moore (guitar/voices) and Clint Ruin (a.k.a. Jim G. Thirlwell) (loops/treatments).

Recordings with members of the Birthday Party, which were at the time deemed inferior to the "Some Velvet Morning" single recordings. This record was supposed to be released by People's Records (run by Michael Schäumer & Michael Voigt [Monogam Records]) in 1982, but the label went bankrupt and the tapes were lost for years. One of the master reels has been lost forever. The surviving tapes were remixed by Jim Thirlwell and some guitar overdubs were done by Thurston Moore @ the BC studios in Brooklyn,New York in May-87. Released in this form without the consent of Nick Cave and Mick Harvey (they are listed on the album with aliases) because of the remixing which didn't leave many of the originals intact. Only "Dead River" and "Done Dun" were left fairly untouched and are also available on Lydia Lunch's "The Crumb" 12" (UK Widowspeak -WSP 13)["Dead River"(2:19) on this release is shorter and with less overdubs].

sleeve, Thursday, 10 March 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Watched the Autoluminescent documentary last night. HFS at all the old footage!

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

A smallish envelope came in today's mail from a Mr H. Howard. Looking through the book I can tell you (a) the neck date of RSH's Jag is April 1969, (b) it's completely rewired, new cheap pots on the lead circuit but the originals on the rhythm circuit, and (c) RSH's Twin is a 1972 master volume (tail logo). It's a nice little book but expensive for what it is. I don't mind in the least, it's supporting Harry.
https://i.imgur.com/ZBoe3bw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jUN78iB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rymP95p.jpg

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link

Harry's Near Death Experience albums are late great additions/editions of the greater B Party legacy.

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link

How much is the book?

I saw the RSH show in London a few weeks back. It was quite something and Harry was on great form.

stirmonster, Thursday, 26 March 2020 04:11 (four years ago) link

$30 AUD plus $9 Aus / $15 ROW for shipping. At the current AUD exchange rate it's approx 2 pieces of pocket lint anywhere else in the world.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 March 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link

Thanks.

stirmonster, Thursday, 26 March 2020 05:26 (four years ago) link

thanks for this

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:48 (four years ago) link

I saw a phto from the tribute concert which had JB Shilo, a guitarist playing what looked like a white fender jaguar. Was that the same actual guitar that Rowland had as his sole one?

It's in the review in Uncut. It mentions him playing Rowland 's original guitar parts but not that it's his guitar. So wondering if it was or just a lookalike.

Stevolende, Thursday, 26 March 2020 08:19 (four years ago) link

The pic of Shilo on the Getty Images site shows a white Jag without a rose decal near the jack, so I’d say not.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 March 2020 09:48 (four years ago) link

i had heard it was one of Roland's guitars, though not the one he was best known to play. JP Shilo totally nailed it at that concert though.

stirmonster, Thursday, 26 March 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Based mostly on my age, timing, general blind spots and where I picked up the story, I never really understood the whole Bad Seeds timeline and extended family tree. For example, I knew of the Boys Next Door and Birthday Party and their influence, but never really listened to them, and never really considered who was doing what on each album. Kind of the same for the Bad Seeds; I knew a lot of people rotated roles or went in and out (Blixa, Mick Harvey, Barry Adamson) but didn't mine the credits for exactly who was doing what on which albums. Likewise I knew of Crime & the City Solution and These Immortal Souls, and knew they were connected to the Bad Seeds in some way, but never really listened to them or knew how. I've never even seen "Wings of Desire." But I just saw the Roland S. Howard doc and it filled in a lot of gaps for me. Got some catching up to do!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 17:32 (two months ago) link

I watch this live video of his "She Cried" cover about once a week. The thudding bass, his Jaguar cutting your head off, it's perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nr5DyVLiW0

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 17:58 (two months ago) link

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/autoluminescent

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:42 (two months ago) link

If you really want to hear what he brought to the group, start with Door Door; he isn't even on the first side, recorded before he joined, and while it's not as terrible as some say, it's unfocussed. Side 2 isn't that big a leap in quality, but Howard seems to have had more a vision pushing the band towards what they became than any of the other members. Not just his guitar playing, but his songs, his voice, even his saxophone.
I've had his vocal on "The Red Clock" from the Hee Haw EP going through my head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKh_TssFHDY

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 January 2024 01:05 (two months ago) link

Odds and sods These Immortal Souls album coming out, previewing with Rowland's arrangement of Alice Cooper (originally from a SubPop tribute covers EP)

https://theseimmortalsouls.bandcamp.com/album/extra

bendy, Monday, 29 January 2024 17:12 (two months ago) link

both These Immortal Souls albums getting a reissue too.

stirmonster, Monday, 29 January 2024 17:31 (two months ago) link

I ordered a copy of that upthread This Guitar Belongs to Roland S. Howard book, because it seems like a cool document. The exchange rate is also in my favor, lol, and I further saved a lot on shipping by just sending it to family in Sydney to be united with at a future date.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link

Glad it's still available, thought it had sold out! It's nice, and feels like the right memento to keep.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 29 January 2024 21:30 (two months ago) link

I don't know how many are available, to be honest. There is a music shop in Melbourne selling it, that was the only place I saw it selling. Not hyper priced or anything.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2024 21:51 (two months ago) link


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