"The Wire" on HBO

I think the deal w/cheese & randy was that it was just a little thing they threw in, and there wasn't really any plausible reason to go any further with it.

Pearlman was cute but it was all about the campaign manager McNulty and Carcetti both got with

yeah this girl. adorable but then i can't speak objectively to this since she resembled in almost every detail of personality the first girl i ever kissed (who now actually does work for the democratic party). but the first girl i ever kissed played this part way, way, way better than the actress in the wire, who came off flat and awkward to me every time she tried to say anything witheringly hobbesian.

brother mouzone was as stupid a character as omar too. this show was good but is massively and ludicrously overrated for some reason. both mad men and breaking bad are ten times the show this is.

i'll kill you

brother mouzone is not a great character, but he's an outlier in that sense

i think brother mouzone was based on something real too /deej

realism as in dealing with subject matter that actually happens and realist in style are two different things, although the later isn't particularly well-defined.

brother mouzone is hilarious

Though the relationship was never established on the show, creator David Simon revealed Cheese to be Randy's biological father.[1]

^^ thought it was maybe alluded to in the show but i guess it wasn't -- the last name thing seemed too deliberate to be a coincidence anyway

― JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 4:03 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

thank u ship

yeah there's no way there are two central characters w/ the last name wagstaff & it is a coincidence

brother mouzone gets a pass for being From New York and having all the characters talk about how he's Come In From New York and is going to use New York Tactics and it's actually pretty funny when he turns out to be a tarantino cartoon.

tbf i agree like...the whole "it's so realistic" is prob mostly this show's stupid thing people say about it. on a number of levels it's stupid cos why would a tv show being realistic even be a definite quality or positive anyway?

people get super dumb when they talk about realism but it is hard to talk about clearly tbf because it turns out no one is ever talking about the same thing

i learn something new and infuriating every time this thread gets revived. can't believe people don't enjoy omar little.

i like both him & mouzone but hearing jordan bash omar but enjoy mouzone makes even less sense!

i def bristle at the idea that mad men is touching this show

All the realism praise is cos people like to think they know about "the streets" and so on after watching The Wire.

re: madmen -- there's gonna be a crossover??

I enjoy The Sopranos and The Wire about equally but Mad Men is nowhere close yeah

s4 is the only thing that'd taint that for me...but i like the emotion of mad men and the romance (mean that broadly.) prob a personal thing...by the same token i'd say twin peaks is my fave tv show of all time. not really looking for realism so much as that sort of wistfulness.

breaking bad on the other hand is just such brilliant storytelling.

i enjoyed the wire but it is kinda annoying in places as well, eg the scene with mcnulty/bunk going "fuck" repeatedly or whatever it was. that wasn't "omg genius", it was really stupid cop show rubbish. plus the first two seasons of the wire are way way way better than the last three, which get progressively poorer.

mouzone is a "worse" character than omar obv

cop shows are great

i meant hilarious in a bad way

btw i enjoy the character of omar -- just had some problems

I hate the "fuck" scene as well and it always annoys me when people bring it up in praise of The Wire.

i dont know if thats what some ppl do it but there are plenty of other reasons to praise its realism i.e. the realistic way characters are forced to interact w/ larger systems

that was re: ppl liking the wire bcuz they know whats going on in the streets

j0rdan look at the realism this way ... ppl like prodigy from mobb deep bcuz his rap style feels visceral & 'real' -- but when he raps 'got a rusty gun, but that shit still spit,' that would actually be a stupid thing to use as a weapon, but it SOUNDS badass? like, there's a tension between realism vs. dramatic license going on in any form of entertainment. the guys that wrote this show were by & large fiction writers

i am trying to remember if mad men ever affected me emotionally.

I hate the "fuck" scene as well and it always annoys me when people bring it up in praise of The Wire.

― Number None, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 3:26 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this sounds like reacting to ppl hyping it imo. wasnt the 'fuck' scene also based on bmore cop humor david simon observed firsthand?

what scene are you guys talking about

I think that's a significant reason why the show has become so canonized in recent years. Makes people feel a bit superior that they watch this show that's so realistic, complex etc.

weird...i found it affecting throughout. s4 prob a bit of a letdown as i think about it now, mind you.

x-post it could be based on real humour and still be shit. maybe bmore cops aren't funny either.

Well, i hadn't heard any hype when i watched the scene and i have since read that it was based on a real situation but it just always came off fake to me.

I think that's a significant reason why the show has become so canonized in recent years. Makes people feel a bit superior that they watch this show that's so realistic, complex etc.

― Number None, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 3:30 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u have a v pessimistic view of ppl's motives & its impugning your ability to be rational while critiquing this show imo

who cares if it's fake, it's awesome.

sometimes the wire's staginess falls flat, but i love the "fuck" scene

lol, number none is taking the place of whiney g weingarten in this discussion

hey guys which scene is the "fuck" scene

you guys need to indulge your cornball tendencies imo

horseshoe you're just trying to feel superior

I love the show though! Just saying i've encountered people who watch it that way. Also, broadsheet journalists

j0rdan look at the realism this way ... ppl like prodigy from mobb deep bcuz his rap style feels visceral & 'real' -- but when he raps 'got a rusty gun, but that shit still spit,' that would actually be a stupid thing to use as a weapon, but it SOUNDS badass? like, there's a tension between realism vs. dramatic license going on in any form of entertainment. the guys that wrote this show were by & large fiction writers

― deej, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 4:29 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is a stretch, deej

j0rdan in the first season, when mcnulty and bunk are investigating a murder scene and realize the shooting took place in a different way than they'd thought + find the bullet and say "fuck" over and over the whole time they're reenacting the shooting

i don't think number none is way out of order to suggest that people cite some dumb ass reasons for liking the wire, eg "realism" 99 per cent of the time. is that really why it's a good show? i don't think so. it's just become the thing people say about it.

x-post otm...so much broadsheet bullshit about this show. news journalists get horny for this realism bullshit.

I watched the show before there was any hype about it and I still hated the "fuck" scene.

Favorite show ever tho.

i am going to say any scene with bunk in it is fine by me

xp

it's realist like a realist novel...it's still fiction

i don't remember the "fuck" part of that scene

bunk is really the best -- he really turned it on during the homeless thing

this is a stretch, deej

― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 21:34 (2 minutes ago) Permalink

how so