In Praise Of : New Order's 'Movement'

haha even reading those words makes me want to grind my teeth

Is nobody commenting on the live tracks posted by captain groovy? Highlights: a beastly version of "The Village" that's so great it's ridiculous, and an equally amazing version of "Truth". Thanks for posting them!

hi dere mostly otm again (tho I like Face Up). I do abhor the much revered Love Vigilantes though.

I like the idea of "Love Vigilantes" but I almost never want to listen to it.

You were me and I was you, this world of ours it felt brand new.

Is nobody commenting on the live tracks posted by captain groovy? Highlights: a beastly version of "The Village" that's so great it's ridiculous, and an equally amazing version of "Truth". Thanks for posting them!

Not had a chance to listen yet. They're sitting on my desktop, ready and waiting ...

I don't know it seems Bernie sometimes comes up with these very sing-songy vocal melodies which I systematically find annoying ("Every Second Counts" being the worst offender)

an equally amazing version of "Truth".

Listening to Get Ready. And, er ... it sounds a fuck of a sight better than I remember. Shit! Even 60MPH. Wow.

hahaha FINALLY

I'm amazing myself here. Up to Vicious Streak, and it's fucking great. (I always had a soft spot for Turn My Way, even though I think I'm alone with that.)

HOWEVER. I still fear Rock The Shack :)

No way, "Turn My Way" is great!

"Rock The Shack" isn't particularly special or anything but I find it to be fun. It's not a song I'd defend to the death, though.

Good times around the corner, good times 'round the corner, I swear it's gettin' warmer.

OK, Rock The Shack came on and sort of took me by surprise, and I found myself grooving away for a couple of seconds before becoming consciously aware of the fact I'm not meant to like it.

Fuck it, no, this really is OK. It's not great, but ... shit, did it always sound this good?

It did to me!

when I first heard the chorus of "Crystal," followed by Hooky's bass run, it was like the entire history of my adoration of New Order compressed into 45 seconds.

the premix version of Crystal has an additional bass riff that isn't included in the single or album version. FACT!

Grimly likes "Rock The Shack" now?!?!?!?!

Basically: yes. Honestly, this whole album sounds totally different today. It's full of melodies I've never picked out before; I've always heard it as being grey and sludgy and amorphous, but this is almost revelatory.

Obviously, I'll have to follow up with WFTSC, which I always thought was better but still bollocks in parts. I'm actually not quite as convinced I'll change my opinion about that one, basically because I've listened to it a lot more, and without nearly as much prejudice.

hey people we are in the movement thread here. as great as get ready and waiting for the sirens call are, and they are, movement is playing in a different league. in the joy division league. maybe not at the top. but not at the bottom neither.

^ Yes, absolutely.

movement is playing in a different league. in the joy division league

Are you implying that Joy Division is superior to New Order?

yes, i am. if i had to choose between joy division and new order i would go for joy division. and you?

Are you insane? Joy Division, as good as they were, were pretty much a one-trick pony. It's like... would you rather have BLACK AND WHITE or SPARKLING RAINBOW TECHNICOLOUR SPANGLES OF IRRIDESCENCE?

I'd quite contentedly go the rest of my life without ever hearing a Joy Division album. But life without New Order would not be worth living.

So will this ensuing discussion be more Kirk/Picard or Joel/Mike?

add Ceremony and Procession to the 81/82 FACTUS8 EP and you're left with a collection that rivals or surpasses any collection of Joy Division tunes.

Who the hell are Joel and Mike?

'In the not-too-distant future...'

I mean, we're talking about THE BERNARD.

Who pretty much pwns everything in the history of ever.

I mean, remember when I couldn't decide between the Velvet Underground and Hawkwind? If New Order had been in that contest, I wouldn't have even hesitated. (That was not a suggestion, Kerr.)

It had to be done, I guess...

Joy Division vs. New Order

Christ. It's like being in Dodgy Malcolm's second-hand shop in Layton, circa 1990, all over again :)

TO THE POLL!

sorry about the pedestrian question but in which of the three files is that version? honestly i haven't got the space on my hd for half a gig of new order live stuff.

I already combined everything into one bigass folder ... but I think it was originally in the third file (flac format, running time 4:02). I think the second, much faster version of "Truth" was in the first file.

I'm listening to it again as I write this -- ffs, this is just SAVAGE, maybe the heaviest performance I've ever heard from New Order. It's like proto black metal or something.

too many clicks. too many bullshit ads. thanks anyway.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost but Grimly - do check out the 'In Sessions' version of "Rock the Shack" (w/o Bobby G.) - closest they've sounded to JD in recent years and that's really how I got into that song

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/akadaver/bernard-sumner-1-sized.jpg

"Pass the Pernod, thanks."

OK, I'm going through my collection to find more 81-82 gigs. Hearing these songs live is where it's at.

This one's GREAT! Stokvishal, Arnhem in '82. The New Order Gigography claims it's the last gig where they played an all-'Movement'-era set.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/f5v4w6

I don't care if Barney was a twat. MAN, was he hott back then.

Yep. Have you seen this one where he's in short shorts?

He's as hot as his singing, which means: he's gotta work at it.

Oh good lord... how long will that take to load? Nnggg... My lust for Barney knows no sense or rationality. I think he's hottest when he's not really trying.

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Yeah, the funny thing is I don't *always* think he's hot but there's just certain times when it just WORKS. I think the hottest I ever saw him though was the PFD (Pumped Full of Drugs) live video (Lowlife era).

There are lots of times when he looks like a complete and utter pencil necked geek! But he kind of proves just how sexy geeks can be.

I had the weirdest realisation tonight, walking to meet a friend for a drink. I kept thinking about, like... New Order vs. Band X after realising that yes, I would choose them over both the Velvet Underground *and* Hawkwind. And I was trying to think of a band that I *would* pick over New Order. And I realised that I'd pick New Order over Stereolab, I'd pick them over Spacemen 3 by a hair (the only bass player I like better than Will Carruthers would be Peter Hook).

And it's weird, because if you asked me "who's your favourite band?" I'd *never* say New Order; I would probably say Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets. But I can not think of a band that I would actually choose over New Order.

I guess they're just not a personality-defining band in the way that Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets are - but their music never fails to make me happy.

Yeah, that's how it happened with me, too. In the 80's I would never have said they were my favourite band, and then somewhere along the way it began to occur to me they had created something timeless.

I remember seeing this in the 80s. The BBC did a sort of NO special. There was a cracking version of Age of Consent.

I have the whole show on a VHS in the loft somewhere.

It was simultaneously broadcast in stereo on Radio 1, I had that on cassette (they finished the version of Confusion (or was it Temptation), which faded out on the TV, but god knows where *that* cassette is)

I guess they're just not a personality-defining band in the way that Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets are - but their music never fails to make me happy.

Yep, it's like saying your favourite band was the Beatles. it's kinda understood that everyone has regard for them, but to say who you are, you do have to be a bit more specific in your tastes.

(cut me some slack here, I know you don't *all* love the btls.

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You can grab MP3s of the whole session here: http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/ (scroll down to 84 AUG 25)

Perhaps the problem with New Order is that they *don't* have a cult of personality in the way that, say, Joy Division did. But then again, maybe that utterly workmanlike approach to music was a reaction against the whole Ian Curtis mythos. There are lots of bands that claim to be "all about the music, man" but New Order kind of quietly got on with the business of making AMAZING music without making much of a fuss about it.

They're kind of unique in my favourite bands that they kind of don't have a "syllabus" or an image or a lifestyle attached - they're actually quite enigmatic as public figures. And yet the music is so epic and so amazing thatit bulldozes pretty much anything else.

I always thought of it as the Factory 'socialist' ethos. Joint songwriting credits, bass, synths and drums as important - if not more important - than guitar and singing, no band pics on the covers, no prima donnas. It probably all myth and illusion, but I prefer it like that.

Do you think that Barney and Hooky would still be *fighting* like this if it were actually like that? Ha ha.