In Praise Of : New Order's 'Movement'

I don't think they've lost it, though; I like their newer albums a lot more than I like their mid-period albums (although favorite individual songs are largely from early-to-mid era).

Hahah: Dan, you are a man of almost impeccable taste, but you and I are never going to agree about those last two albums ;)

Irrespective of that, though: Hooky's increasingly petulant outbursts and the sense that the animosity between the two camps is permanent now does sadden me immensely.

HI DERE OTM. I know it's pretty unholy to say this around here but the last two albums would def be in my top 5 (alongside Movement, PCL and Technique)

If they churn out songs as good as "Morning, Night, and Day," "I Told You So," "Krafty," and "Someone Like You," I have no problem arguing that their recent albums are as uneven as the older ones.

I'd say I like them all consistently except Republic, which is half great (but I'll still take that).

(Is this where Alfred and I confess we're working on an EMP proposal about Mr. Sumner?)

I'd say I like them all consistently except Republic, which is half great (but I'll still take that)

Yeah I cant reall think of a bad NO album but for some reason Lowlife and Brotherhood (whih has a couple of my fave indiv NO songs) have never really clicked for me.

I adore Brotherhood -- but the first time I heard it, I thought it was such a heap of shit that I took it back to Blackpool music library without even bothering to make a copy of it :)

(Is this where Alfred and I confess we're working on an EMP proposal about Mr. Sumner?)

Shhh!

xpost - u mad etc.

That's why I keep hoping that one day I'll go back and listen to Get Ready and I'll love it. (As I've said elsewhere: there are individual songs on there that I adore. Sod it, I might dig it out this afternoon.)

Low-Life is most frustrating to me because some of the songs on it are easily among my favorite New Order songs ("Sunrise", "Elegia", "This Time Of Night") while I absolutely abhor others ("Face-Up") and really hate the versions of the singles on the album.

Oh, how I cannot bear the thought of you.

haha even reading those words makes me want to grind my teeth

Is nobody commenting on the live tracks posted by captain groovy? Highlights: a beastly version of "The Village" that's so great it's ridiculous, and an equally amazing version of "Truth". Thanks for posting them!

hi dere mostly otm again (tho I like Face Up). I do abhor the much revered Love Vigilantes though.

I like the idea of "Love Vigilantes" but I almost never want to listen to it.

You were me and I was you, this world of ours it felt brand new.

Is nobody commenting on the live tracks posted by captain groovy? Highlights: a beastly version of "The Village" that's so great it's ridiculous, and an equally amazing version of "Truth". Thanks for posting them!

Not had a chance to listen yet. They're sitting on my desktop, ready and waiting ...

I don't know it seems Bernie sometimes comes up with these very sing-songy vocal melodies which I systematically find annoying ("Every Second Counts" being the worst offender)

an equally amazing version of "Truth".

Listening to Get Ready. And, er ... it sounds a fuck of a sight better than I remember. Shit! Even 60MPH. Wow.

hahaha FINALLY

I'm amazing myself here. Up to Vicious Streak, and it's fucking great. (I always had a soft spot for Turn My Way, even though I think I'm alone with that.)

HOWEVER. I still fear Rock The Shack :)

No way, "Turn My Way" is great!

"Rock The Shack" isn't particularly special or anything but I find it to be fun. It's not a song I'd defend to the death, though.

Good times around the corner, good times 'round the corner, I swear it's gettin' warmer.

OK, Rock The Shack came on and sort of took me by surprise, and I found myself grooving away for a couple of seconds before becoming consciously aware of the fact I'm not meant to like it.

Fuck it, no, this really is OK. It's not great, but ... shit, did it always sound this good?

It did to me!

when I first heard the chorus of "Crystal," followed by Hooky's bass run, it was like the entire history of my adoration of New Order compressed into 45 seconds.

the premix version of Crystal has an additional bass riff that isn't included in the single or album version. FACT!

Grimly likes "Rock The Shack" now?!?!?!?!

Basically: yes. Honestly, this whole album sounds totally different today. It's full of melodies I've never picked out before; I've always heard it as being grey and sludgy and amorphous, but this is almost revelatory.

Obviously, I'll have to follow up with WFTSC, which I always thought was better but still bollocks in parts. I'm actually not quite as convinced I'll change my opinion about that one, basically because I've listened to it a lot more, and without nearly as much prejudice.

hey people we are in the movement thread here. as great as get ready and waiting for the sirens call are, and they are, movement is playing in a different league. in the joy division league. maybe not at the top. but not at the bottom neither.

^ Yes, absolutely.

movement is playing in a different league. in the joy division league

Are you implying that Joy Division is superior to New Order?

yes, i am. if i had to choose between joy division and new order i would go for joy division. and you?

Are you insane? Joy Division, as good as they were, were pretty much a one-trick pony. It's like... would you rather have BLACK AND WHITE or SPARKLING RAINBOW TECHNICOLOUR SPANGLES OF IRRIDESCENCE?

I'd quite contentedly go the rest of my life without ever hearing a Joy Division album. But life without New Order would not be worth living.

So will this ensuing discussion be more Kirk/Picard or Joel/Mike?

add Ceremony and Procession to the 81/82 FACTUS8 EP and you're left with a collection that rivals or surpasses any collection of Joy Division tunes.

Who the hell are Joel and Mike?

'In the not-too-distant future...'

I mean, we're talking about THE BERNARD.

Who pretty much pwns everything in the history of ever.

I mean, remember when I couldn't decide between the Velvet Underground and Hawkwind? If New Order had been in that contest, I wouldn't have even hesitated. (That was not a suggestion, Kerr.)

It had to be done, I guess...

Joy Division vs. New Order

Christ. It's like being in Dodgy Malcolm's second-hand shop in Layton, circa 1990, all over again :)

TO THE POLL!

sorry about the pedestrian question but in which of the three files is that version? honestly i haven't got the space on my hd for half a gig of new order live stuff.

I already combined everything into one bigass folder ... but I think it was originally in the third file (flac format, running time 4:02). I think the second, much faster version of "Truth" was in the first file.

I'm listening to it again as I write this -- ffs, this is just SAVAGE, maybe the heaviest performance I've ever heard from New Order. It's like proto black metal or something.

too many clicks. too many bullshit ads. thanks anyway.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost but Grimly - do check out the 'In Sessions' version of "Rock the Shack" (w/o Bobby G.) - closest they've sounded to JD in recent years and that's really how I got into that song

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/akadaver/bernard-sumner-1-sized.jpg

"Pass the Pernod, thanks."

OK, I'm going through my collection to find more 81-82 gigs. Hearing these songs live is where it's at.

This one's GREAT! Stokvishal, Arnhem in '82. The New Order Gigography claims it's the last gig where they played an all-'Movement'-era set.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/f5v4w6

I don't care if Barney was a twat. MAN, was he hott back then.