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£3.99 a month for unlimited Wifi with the Cloud for Touch
http://www.thecloud.co.uk/page/3615
(doesn't say anyhwere "unlimited*" or "unlimited (fair use)" or "unlimited (limited)" but I'm guessing it is, anyway.)

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think I read Cloud it was going to have a 2GB a month limit with the O2 iPhone deal. Sounds OK really.

Alba, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate all telephones.

Abbott, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

That's not too shabby. At GPRS speedes that'd take all month anyway.

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

stet otm -- I've had my phone about 2 months and have only recv'd 2.28 gigs despite it being my main internet connection.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I may have dreamed the 2GB figure actually. Looking it up, it's actually a temporal limit on fair use -- 60 hours a month.

Alba, Friday, 28 September 2007 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh that's a bit close for comfort. Only two hours a day?

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link

yuck

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Alba where do you see those figures? O2's new "unlimited" data plan is 200MB a month (wtf!) but I can't see one for iPhone.

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link

The 200MB is for Edge downloads, yeah.

I can't see myself browsing on a mobile device for longer than two hours a day, personally. It's just bus time.

Alba, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

And, y'know, there are books to read.

Alba, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

The Mail app checks in the background though, so that'll add up. 60 hours of Wifi is probably all right, actually, but only 200MB of data a month? Jesus.

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

so: i had a dick about with an iPod touch in the apple store today.

really, really liked it. took less than five minutes to feel utterly familiar with it -- although i'm now realising i didn't think to turn it on its side for a bigger keyboard. hmm. i actually found that after 15 minutes (heh) i could batter away typing pretty swiftly ... i don't think i'd want to be writing a novel on it, but i reckon i could handle it just fine.

the one thing that perturbed me slightly was how s l o o o o w videos were to load in the youtube app ... other not-the-fastest web pages (eg twitter) zipped along happily in safari, so i don't think i can blame the connection speed. i'd need to know more about how it works, i guess.

my plan still stands, anyway: wait till after xmas, get an iPhone. probably.

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 7 October 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

saw one last night and played with the maps - ooh la la

Tracer Hand, Monday, 8 October 2007 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link

google map integration + nazivon add-on = a godsend for the directionally challenged

^@^, Monday, 8 October 2007 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

had a quick play with touch ipod last week. SO THIN! lovely scrolly swipe thing too. just great.

Alan, Monday, 8 October 2007 12:28 (sixteen years ago) link

i have powerbook g4 (1.5 ghz, 1.25 gb ram)

i keep mail, ical, pages, numbers, omnioutliner, newsfire, soho notes, camino, iphoto, iweb and a firewire external HD all going at the same time

this thing has gotten hella slow and takes about a minute to go to sleep

is it already obsolete?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

no.

and, er, "obsolete" is a state of mind, isn't it? it's not like yr mac goes: "shit, i'm old! better slow down to a crawl" :)

run tiger cache cleaner or something over it. i've got pretty much the same setup and mine runs great. how much HD space have you got free? that could be a key issue, ie for swapfiles and the like.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

26 gigs free on the HD!

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

(and i might want to take iPhoto out of the mix if it's not needed all the time -- isn't it a total waste of resources?)

xpost: right, that's not it, then ;)

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

seriously: tiger cache cleaner, restart, whoosh.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

google map integration + nazivon add-on = a godsend for the directionally challenged

Proper GPS is better though.

Ed, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

grimly otm, I have no idea why you'd run iPhoto all the time on a system with 1GB of memory when it eats memory.

That said, when I upgraded from a Powerbook 1.5GHz to one of the new Macbook Pros (and then a friend sent me a link to a deal with 4GB of memory for like $150) it was the most startling leap in speed I've seen in a long time.

mh, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

tiger cache cleaner

waht is it ^

xpost, yea Ed I don't understand why they didn't put a proper GPS in?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

i just tried it out. eliminated about 1.5 GB of cache, feels SLIGHTLY snappier, but I've only got 3 gigs left anyway, so everything will always be slow.

and i don't have an external HD, nor can i afford one, and the CD drive don't work.

P.O.S.

river wolf, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

What "cache" does it clean up? Aren't there freeware things that do this?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

http://monolingual.sourceforge.net/

might want to look at this too if you're short on space^

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

river wolf: i downloaded a shareware thing -- can't remember its name, and am at work -- that basically zaps through yr HD and shows you what all the big files are and where they're hiding. i managed to dump three gigs of shite straight away (huge, unneccessary PDFs, printer-related bollocks, etc). will check when i get home and post a link.

this is TCC ... jon, you'll probably have more fun doing it all from a terminal window already, but hey. anything that gives me a nice point-and-click way to fuck about with the innards of OS X is a good thing. yeh, there are other things that will do the same job, but this is the best all-in-one tool i've found

it also gives you clamAV, which might be handy one day :(

xpost: monolingual is top, aye. think TCC can do something similar.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

slimming Universal Binaries.

^ seems like a bad idea on a ppc machine

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

i surely have some weird stuff i won't be able to find again

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

ok in my defense i don't keep iphoto and iweb open *all the time*.

TCC worked pretty good. the best was cleaning out the startup .apps, i had no idea i had so many bullshit "services" loaded up. i never use contextual menus, really.

i'm also running quicksilver, wonder how much that eats up.

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link

a bunch i think.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link

TCC just made my Safari go much much faster. I'd used various shareware optimizer type programs before, TCC is the slowest, but seems to help the most.

I mentioned this on the hoonja thread, but I found quicksilver useless as I wasn't doing anything fancy. I just do my favorite trick of making a folder on the desktop with no name, or two spaces in front, and placing aliases of all the applications and utitlities I actually use in it. So when I need to open something, even something I wouldn't put on the dock because I don't use it that often, I just click on the desktop, hit the space bar, hit command down arrow to open the folder then type the first letter of the alias. It's really not any more clickes or typing then quicksilver.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

ya quicksilver seems like mostly lifehacky bullshit to me.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

quicksilver is too slow if you put everything in it and have plugins

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

i love quicksilver and i'm willing to take the speed hit for lifehacky bullshit ;)

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

i use quicksilver as a spotlight replacement

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link

grimly: i'd definitely be interested in that app. i know i've got massive stuff lurking, probably from video editing.

river wolf, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link

quicksilver is way faster and better than Spotlight

Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I just click on the desktop, hit the space bar, hit command down arrow to open the folder then type the first letter of the alias. It's really not any more clickes or typing then quicksilver.

I just tried this and I don't see how it's nearly as good! For a start, you have to make aliases and add them manually. Then, getting to the desktop involves using mouse (yes, you can hit F11 to show it, but then the space bar trick doesn't work until you click on the desktop) . More troublesomely, if your special aliases folder is already open from a previous use, but hidden behind other windows, the space bar trick won't work either.

With Quicksilver I just hit ctrl-space at any time, then usually just the first letter of the frequently used app or document I want, then return and that's it. Just three keypresses (or four if you count ctrl-space as two). Even if it's not the top-ranked (it learns by usage) item for that letter, getting to the one I do want takes a second - just hit the right arrow and scroll to the one I do want.

I'm sure there are less fully-featured app launchers that do a similar thing to Quicksilver and use less RAM, but I can't say I have a problem with my unpimped-up install of it - right now it's using just 7MB.

Alba, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

river wolf ... i did the same vague googling i did when i found the thing and have tracked it down. it's called disk inventory X and it's great.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

quicksilver really bogged me down somehow. In any case, far as what I do goes...there's always some desktop showing for me, as I have 2 monitors and have been doing the option-click on the desktop to hide all thing since they introduced multi-finder or whenever, so that's pretty instinctual. Also, the alias folder is always closed because if you hit option command down arrow to open a program, it closes it's window. I guess this is just stuff I've always instinctively done anyway so it doesn't seem like a problem. I like manually adding the aliases though, as I get to choose and say, yes, these are the applications/utilities I want quick access to.

Also good, I put said folder in dock, then right/command click on folder to get list of everything. What you can't do though is drag onto an application like you could with the dock. Remember the old tabbed windows on the bottom of OS9? I would have one called "applications" then I could just drag onto the tab and drop it on photoshop or whatever. Of course photoshop is in my dock, but not every little thing is.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

anyway, damn cache cleaner fixed something with Safari!

dan selzer, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

glad my little recommendation meets with so much approval.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Will it clean different caches to the ones that Onyx cleans?

Alba, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Horses for courses, Dan. I did have an Applications alias folder in my dock for a while, but really, I don't even like using the dock if I can help it. Keyboard forever, mouse never!

Alba, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link

i surely have some weird stuff i won't be able to find again

trying to resist not to interpret this as a pervy comment.

stevienixed, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Will it clean different caches to the ones that Onyx cleans?

no, but it'll do the edges of the skirting board, and behind the bog.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I feel a little sorry for caches, sometimes. They're only trying to help.

Alba, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link


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