yeah Universal Consciousness is great
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 February 2011 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Noticed over the weekend that my local now has used copies of The Monastic Trio, Universal Consciousness and the live one from the later seventies (Transfiguration, I think?). Anyone care to comment on the essential-ness of any of these titles?
Not essential. No, none of them... not essential at all. Pick them up immediately and mail them to me. I'll do the listening so you don't have to waste your time.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 28 February 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey & co are you taking a week in the newly reformed jazz club?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 28 February 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha. If it's any consolation, ilxor, the used prices you are paying seem quite a bit lower than what is available around here. I believe these were all priced in the $8.99 and up range. I know that UC is waaay out of print, though. And it just so happens that I had forgotten that a copy of that album recently....uhhh...fell off a truck and I have a copy in my iTunes to check out.
To be honest, I almost wanted to buy The Monastic Trio alone for its awesome typography:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/A_Monastic_Trio_%28Alice_Coltrane%29.jpg/220px-A_Monastic_Trio_%28Alice_Coltrane%29.jpg
― xtianDC, Monday, 28 February 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the two best jazz albums are
bill evans - sunday at the village vanguarderic dolphy - iron man
so get those!
― uberweiss, Monday, 28 February 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't view Monastic Trio as particularly essential, 'cause a piano trio is a piano trio.
I agree that it's not ranked with Universal Consciousness necessarily but I find Monastic Trio interesting precisely because it shows Alice doing her thing in the context of "just a piano trio," sessions like that really give a player the opportunity to make their style clear imo, so that's why I love it.
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Phil, how does Monastic Trio compare to Schlippenbach Trio?
― sarahel, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Found all of these at the record shop over my lunch hour (and can't recall any being discussed to date). Going back after 5pm this afternoon to get several. Which of these are most worth hearing?
Don Cherry - Symphony for ImprovisersJoe Henderson - In JapanThelonious Monk - Solo MonkThelonious Monk - UndergroundEvan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Eleventh HourSun Ra - Concert for the Comet KohoutekCecil Taylor - Conquistador!Cecil Taylor - Dark to ThemselvesJohn Zorn - ElegyJohn Zorn - Angelus Novus
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not much of a Schlippenbach guy; I've only heard one quartet disc (the trio you're talking about, I think, plus Evan Parker) and two discs of solo stuff. None of it particularly made me want to hear any more.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 3 March 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
unperson: can you comment on any of those records above?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
And where's AG today??
Out of those, I've only heard Underground, but that one's a true five-star album. It swings like hell, and it's a good showcase for both Monk's chops as a pianist, and his songwriting talent.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
solo monk is great too
― adult music person (Jordan), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Kohoutek is awesome, one of my favorite live Sun Ra recs along with Life Is Splendid.
― sleeve, Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm really... I have always bagged off picking it up. I share yr love of Life is Splendid tho
― ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
The cover art is so amateur-looking on that Sun Ra record that I can understand being put off.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well that kinda comes with the territory (altho there are a ton of gorgeous sleeves as well)
― ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Schlippenbach Trio is great.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51stUoacv2L._SL500_AA300_.jpg -VS- http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G57y39jwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
can't say I like either of those lol
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MDB0AGGHL._SS500_.jpg
^^^that's my shit right there
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
that looks better than most ppl's shit iirc
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't remember if I linked this already; http://sickmouthy.com/2011/01/16/top-ten-jazz-albums/
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf dude most of your list is neither recent nor European...?
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
nice list ... don't think the applause on "mercy mercy mercy" is overdubbed, i think they just invited their friends to the studio, had an open bar and pretended they were at a club.
― tylerw, Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Only 20%, aye (wrote the intro before I picked the actual list!) but that's still 20% more than any other list I've seen. Should have out Tuesday Wonderland by e.s.t. on there, and maybe Freak In by Dave Douglas.
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
And Modern Day Jazz Stories by Courtney Pine!
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
you needCecil Taylor - Conquistador!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Tell me more about it!
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Don Cherry - Symphony for Improvisers [Have it but haven't listened to it in a long long time]Joe Henderson - In Japan [never heard it]Thelonious Monk - Solo Monk [awesome]Thelonious Monk - Underground [awesome]Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Eleventh Hour [haven't heard it; not a Parker fan generally]Sun Ra - Concert for the Comet Kohoutek [haven't heard it; have expressed myself on Ra upthread]Cecil Taylor - Conquistador! [love love love this album; much better than Unit Structures]Cecil Taylor - Dark to Themselves [awesome but forbidding - a single 65-minute piece; band includes David S. Ware]John Zorn - Elegy [haven't heard it]John Zorn - Angelus Novus [haven't heard it]
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 3 March 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
You should listen to Cherry's Symphony for Improvisers tonight and report back.
(Thanks, btw!)
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Joe Henderson - In Japan
this is ok. i tend to lose my shit over joe henderson in general, really heady stuff that makes you want to listen hard to his playing and how he interacts with the band, but he doesn't do it so much on this record. iirc he was flown in and playing with a group he didn't really know. they acquit themselves well, but it's not exactly telepathic communication.
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Joe Henderson - In Japan has one track that I think is amazing -- Junk Blues -- and the rest is just ok.
― The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually maybe not AMAZING, but a very good high-speed modal blowout with some pretty excellent playing from a Japanese rhythm section I had never previously heard of.
― The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Sun Ra - Concert for the Comet Kohoutek
Not really crazy about this one, and I'm a Sun Ra fan (though a picky one). The possibly unintentionally sped up version of "Englightenment" (one of the musicians has reportedly said he cannot play that fast, after hearing this recording--I forget the source for that) is worth hearing at least. It's among Sun Ra's more depressing recordings, due to the content of some of the spoken word. I suppose the transcendent stuff is supposed to come in at the end and come to the rescue, but unfortunately: "This is not life! This is not life! This is DEATH! disguised as life. . ." feels too true for me much of the time. It's been a while since I've heard this album. Not sure what I'd think now.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 4 March 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Picked these up confidently, for starters:
Thelonious Monk - Solo MonkThelonious Monk - UndergroundCecil Taylor - Conquistador!
Bought these to kick off my exposure to Henderson/Parker/Zorn, though I'm not sure if I'll like all of 'em (especially Zorn from what I've heard about his aesthetic/style/etc.):
Joe Henderson - In JapanEvan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Eleventh HourJohn Zorn - ElegyJohn Zorn - Angelus Novus
Wanted to get this, but decided to wait for the remastered version to come around:
Don Cherry - Symphony for Improvisers
Held off for now:
Sun Ra - Concert for the Comet KohoutekCecil Taylor - Dark to Themselves
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure the Electroacoustic Ensemble stuff is the place to start with Parker, it's good but somewhat of a byway in his huge discography. If you like Stetson then you'd be better off going for one of Parker's solo sax recordings like The Snake Decides or Conic Sections. My favourite Parker line-up would be his trio with Barry Guy and Paul Lytton, they've done a number of albums of which At the Vortex (1996) is my favourite. Also key: his trio with Alex von Schlippenbach and Paul Lovens, of which Winterreise comes recommended.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 4 March 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks, I'll keep all of that in mind. This is actually (as far as I can recall) the first Parker disc I've come across in the used bins... oftentimes I just take what I can get when it comes along. :)
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually now I come to think of it Ken Vandermark would be another name to conjure with, he doesn't often play solo but he's a more visceral, less abstract player than Parker and thus might appeal more to the Stetson-lover in you. Like all these guys he has a voluminous discography with vast numbers of shifting and ad hoc line-ups. One that I'm particularly fond of would be his duo with Norwegian drummer Paal Nilssen-Love, they put out a breathtaking pair of CDs last year called Chicago Volume and Milwaukee Volume.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 4 March 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
conic sections is the shit! really easy to lose yourself in that one.
― original bgm, Saturday, 5 March 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Thelonious Monk - Underground [awesome]
hmmm, really? out of the twenty or so Monks i've heard/own, that is the ONLY one that hasn't impressed. something about that band is just not right to me and it never takes off
xposts
― KC & the sunshine banned (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 5 March 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure the Electroacoustic Ensemble stuff is the place to start with Parker, it's good but somewhat of a byway in his huge discography.
Chiming in to say you're totally right. The Electro-Acoustic Ensemble stuff hasn't clicked at all yet, a couple plays in. The best way I can describe it is that I've found lots of jazz where I can't believe the kind of stuff that comes out of just one player at times: like, I'll listen to Ornette or someone and think, how does ONE MAN do all that?? With Parker's 11-man ensemble, I'd hoped it would sound like a BIG group, where I could hear each person contributing to the overall pieces... but honestly, it just sounds like one or two guys fucking around with some electronics.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Also haven't clicked with Zorn's Elegy or Angelus Novus at all... zzzzzzz, back to the record bins they go. Gonna swap out for some more interesting jazz (or maybe just that Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro reissue...).
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Thelonious Monk - Underground (awesome)
― KC & the sunshine banned (outdoor_miner), Saturday, March 5, 2011 2:00 PM Bookmark
Yeah, but it has Green Chimneys. Also perhaps the greatest jazz liner notes ever.
― bury my heart at wounded nerd (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
you should check out some of the Masada stuff if you get a chance
― adult music person (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I shared this in the Capital Swamp thread, but wanted to make sure ilxor saw it too. This has been on repeat for me the last two days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6DA2VrxB4
So Pharoah Sanders played a free lunch time concert at Howard University last week. Unfortunately I was out of town. Pains me to have missed it. Also look for a beautiful rendition of Coltrane's "Naimi" from the same account.
Man, I have GOT to get a copy of Karma!
― xtianDC, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I listened to Wynton Marsalis's Black Codes (From The Underground) for the first time this week.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Sanders' Impulse Years sampler has the full length "Creator" on it too, if that's easier to find.
― nickn, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Sounds like I should check out the Capital Swamp thread. Will check out the video tonight. Thanks!!
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Karma can be had at fair prices on Amazon/eBay used, btw.