What think you of Ted Hughes?

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I didn't know that Hughes and Heaney said that about Wordsworth, that's fascinating. I'd like to know why you agree. I'm not that well-read in any of them, and my opinion is more emotional that critical. (I did read some Wordsworth recently, after reading the review of the new W. biography in the NYT by James Fenton, and was reminded of how good W. is.) But, my gut feeling is that Keats and Shelley's best poems are better than Wordsworth's best. Ozymandias, Bright Star, Skylark, When I have Fears, On First Looking..., Grecian Urn. parts of Nightingale. So. What are your favorite Wordsworth poems, that stack up against those?

Donald, Friday, 13 January 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Wordsworth presents particular problems. A lot of his stuff is pretty hard to read now (I've never got through all of The Excursion, for example). Large chunks of his most celebrated long poem, The Prelude are pretty dull; and yet most readers experience is that when you extract the "good" bits they lose a lot of their power in isolation. That The Prelude is available in two versions doesn't help (W "improved" it later in life; the consensus is that the early (1805) version is to be preferred but that is not universally accepted & most people would feel that there are at least some parts of the second version that are an improvement).

Furthermore reading and understanding W is a cumulative thing: once you're familiar with his work a piece like I Wondered Lonely as a Cloud is much more than the anthology-of-light-verse piece you may think it is.

The most powerful sections of "The Prelude" are often called the "spots of time" passages. These, The Intimations of Mortality Ode, and Tintern Abbey are good places to start.

Here is one of my favourite "spots of time" passages: it may give you an idea whether it's the kind of thing that you'd be interested in exploring further.

I remember well
('Tis of an early season that I speak,
The twilight of rememberable life),
While I was yet an urchin, one who scarce
Could hold a bridle, with ambitious hopes
I mounted, and we rode towards the hills.
We were a pair of horsemen: honest James
Was with me, my encourager and guide.
We had not travelled long ere some mischance
Disjoined me from my comrade, and, through fear
Dismounting, down the rough and stony moor
I led my horse, and stumbling on, at length
Came to a bottom where in former times
A man, the murderer of his wife, was hung
In irons. Mouldered was the gibbet-mast;
The bones were gone, the iron and the wood;
Only a long green ridge of turf remained
Whose shape was like a grave. I left the spot,
And reascending the bare slope I saw
A naked pool that lay beneath the hills,
The beacon on the summit, and more near
A girl who bore a pitcher on her head
And seemed with difficult steps to force her way
Against the blowing wind. It was in truth
An ordinary sight, but I should need
Colours and words that are unknown to man
To paint the visionary dreariness
Which, while I looked all round for my lost guide,
Did at that time invest the naked pool,
The beacon on the lonely eminence,
The woman and her garments vexed and tossed
By the strong wind.

frankiemachine, Friday, 13 January 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Keats is a singles act. Wordsworth an album guy.

Does Eliot count as an English poet? (Surely, if Yeats does!)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Eliot counts (if Eliot and Yeats didn't count the opinion would lose most of its interest, I think).

frankiemachine, Friday, 13 January 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

that's powerful, thanks. And not difficult to read at all. Does it seem slightly prosy to you? I don't mean that as a criticism, just that, even if it is blank verse, it could almost be in prose. An excerpt of a novel. (I remember being bored by much of the Prelude, but then would find sections, like this one, little epiphanies.)

Donald, Saturday, 14 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Best CD of Hughes' poems/writing?

djh, Saturday, 31 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

Great review of the Hughes bio by Janet Malcolm.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 January 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link

Thank you, devoured that like a bowl of custard-covered Christmas cake.

Malcolm's book on Plath/Hughes is electrifying.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 21 January 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link

I haven't read that book - I'll need to.

Proper lit journalist busting some balls.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 January 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link

In my literary youth I listened to a recording of Hughes reading his poems, including this one:

What will you make of half a man
Half a face
A ripped edge

His one-eyed waking
Is the shorn sleep of aftermath

His vigour
The bone-deformity of consequences

His talents
The deprivations of escape

How will you correct
The veteran of negatives
And the survivor of cease?

Back in my teens I would go along with anything, but even so that one didn't work for me. (Better than this though.) Also, "shorn sleep" was so close to "shorn sheep" that it ruined the effect, and I was sure that's where Hughes got it.

Sean O'Brien wrote an essay about Hughes going off the rails for a while with respect to diction. I've read Orghast at Persepolis which was about some pretty strange stuff.

alimosina, Thursday, 21 January 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

The Iron Man is described as being taller than a house, his head is as large as a bedroom and his feet are as large as a bed. So when he falls down the cliff and smashes into pieces on the beach, how come a seagull can pick up one of his eyes and a hand?

the man with the chili in his eyes (ledge), Friday, 26 August 2022 13:13 (one year ago) link

Because the first set of impossibilities you cited implies room for further impossibilities?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 26 August 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link

A deeply unsatisfying answer for many reasons.

Anyway despite that minor editorial inconsistency I'm glad that this book is as unique and captivating as I remembered. and that our 6 year old seems quite taken with it too.

the man with the chili in his eyes (ledge), Friday, 26 August 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link


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