Neil Young's TRANS: An Underrated Masterpiece, or Justly Ignored?

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i like the stubborn element to "shots" and "t-bone" (which is also nicely absurd) -- don't like those pop song beginning each side so much though

I guess reactor is a better consistent rocker, but i wish he'd kept those synth bass noises onboard as part of his rock music sound, sounds that he used sparingly and appropriately (cf: typical synth-only music)

perhaps i should check out "Weight of the World", even if landing on water seemed very light-weight when i heard that (again years ago)

the heavy synth really adds something to the rock sound i think when as here it's added to the conventional rock'n'roll arsenal and not merely substituted for good bass playing (since said substitution often seems to translate to bad bass-paying, emulation)

please someone recommend some rock music that does that (ie real rythym section of bass and drums (not drum and bass machines) plus synth oomph)

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 26 December 2003 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

george gosset wrote: please someone recommend some rock music that does that...

I'd say try some Chrome and mid-period Six Finger Satellite (Severe Exposure especially).

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 26 December 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone seen the Trans Tour DVD/video? Not exactly Neil's finest hour...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 27 December 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link

You're insane. Neil is on fire throughout that concert. I suspect you couldn't see past the (admittedly horrible) lime green '80s clothing he's got on.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 27 December 2003 08:16 (twenty years ago) link

Or perhaps it was Nils Lofgren and his horrible headbands, I dunno...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 28 December 2003 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

I was hoping he'd just combine all of his 80s experimentations into one band... Neil And the Shocking Pink Transbluetones

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 28 December 2003 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

You'd be leaving out the CSNY revival.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 28 December 2003 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
"We R in Control" sounds like Kilroy was Here-era Styx, albeit with better chord changes and ugly guitar breaks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link

'but it has some pretty solid (and even touching) songs. '

I like Little Thing Called Love, like a faster, happier version of 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart':

Only love puts a tear in your eye
Only love makes you hypnotiyized
Only love makes you choose
Only love brings you...the bloooz.


Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Thank you to my friend who told me about this album, I'm not that into Neil Young, but Transformer Man is so beautiful, it's really lovely melody getting strangled by the vocoder. *shudders*

I know, right?, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

"Sample and Hold" is the best thing on the record ... that album is brilliant songwriting mixed with a poignant concept (past, present future through the prism of his son). Makes me forgive the analog vocoder shit. I'm endlessly fascinated it.

Jiminy Krokus, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

the vocorder stuff is the best part! my biggest complaint w/trans is that he didn't go synth pop enough...i wish there weren't the bet hedging trad songs....but it's still a great record.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I'll agree that it doesn't go far enough; some tracks are underwritten. "Like an Inca" should be the epic song of this period, the nearest rival to "Rockin' in the Free World" several years later, but it's not weird enough: it sounds like Thomas Dolby hired to put synth touches on a Santana number.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

It is Neil Young's best album.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i love it, but that's going a bit far

jaxon, Monday, 14 May 2007 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Underrated, not a masterpiece.

M.V., Monday, 14 May 2007 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Neil Young:Trans::Martin Scorsese:King of Comedy

sanskrit, Monday, 14 May 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i needed spaces in there, but you know what i meant

sanskrit, Monday, 14 May 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Charming in many ways, especially from a 20 years-after-the-fact hindsight view (the same way it's entertaining to watch Clockwork Orange and think about its view of what those in the early Seventies thought the future [which is today] would look like).

Wait a minute! Today is the future? Then what the hell is tomorrow?

Tinky-Winky, Monday, 14 May 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

This is a good album with some great songs but I actually like Everybody's Rockin more. Wonderin' is such a beautiful song and it has a beautiful video.

filthy dylan, Monday, 14 May 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

It sounds like its from some really good 80's cartoon video. Like one of those weird ones you'd get on old VHS bunged in with My Little Pony.

I know, right?, Monday, 14 May 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Listening for the first time - this is a very timely album.

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

this album's great! kinda marred by the inclusion of the non-synth/electro stuff though. so unnecessary.

girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

but I adore "Like an Inca" though. I've listened to it more often than "Cortez the Killer," I think.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

(I guess that one's non-synth besides the two-note synth motif in the chorus)

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link

It is Neil Young's best album.
^^^^belongs in the challops hall of fame ... not even in Neil Young's top ten best albums, though you could make a case for it being the best of the 80s, maybe. it is pretty fascinating overall -- is there an example of another major 60s rock artist trying something so weirdly daring in the 80s?

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i fixed a facebook quiz so that i could get this as my 'what neil young album are you'

like totally gr80 to the max (jaxon), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Is Human Highway ever going to get rereleased? If they put it on BlueRay, that would be the thing pushing me into buying a player.

I X Love (Abbott), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't know about a re-release, but if you just need a copy you can e-mail me @ dr.carl.sagan at gmail

ian, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

You kick ass.

I X Love (Abbott), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, enjoy ....

tylerw, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

or rather, "enjoy"

tylerw, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

just remembered that the non-LP single version of Mr Soul was better than the one on Trans. Never checked to see if it was available. I remember it as being a denser/louder sound. Anyone know if it's out there as MP3, bonus track .. ( I could search, I guess.)

dave225, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I've seen Human Highway before & I totally enjoyed it.

I X Love (Abbott), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Underrated half-assterpiece. The half that's good is my favorite Neil Young I've ever heard.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Trans is so fucking good. Especially loud.

harmonies on Sample & Hold are godlike.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 11:13 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

yeah, seriously, "sample and hold" owns. juiced up severed heads with sweet harmonies or a kinder gentler skinny puppy

brimstead, Sunday, 19 April 2015 08:09 (eight years ago) link

Rated #20 (out of 35) in this piece of click bait. FWIW I like Trans a lot; would certainly make the bottom half of my top 10 Neil records.

http://www.stereogum.com/1445091/neil-young-albums-from-worst-to-best/franchises/counting-down/attachment/trans/

Bloody Snail, Sunday, 19 April 2015 09:09 (eight years ago) link

eight months pass...

Listening to this in full for the first time (on slightly hissy O.G. VINYL that I've actually had for a long time) after dipping into Shakey again, and being intrigued by the perverse idea of Neil using the Synclavier to do note for note replacements of Crazy Horse backing tracks. The non-electro songs would've been at quite at home on a mythical early 80s CSNY album (or Daylight Again, if S & N went to Y instead of ringers and the then at death's door C).

I wonder how pissed Geffen got when he heard ZZ Top's Eliminator, which dropped a few months after Trans and used electronics in similar ways, and realized how horribly right this project could have gone.

"Damn the Taquitos" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 January 2016 01:00 (eight years ago) link

I'd call it Unjustly Not Ignored. But I know it has lots of defenders.

clemenza, Saturday, 2 January 2016 01:57 (eight years ago) link

After I got done with Trans, I put on a vinyl copy of The Bridge tribute (which I think scored in the same haul about 7 years ago). The Sonic Youth "Computer Age" was nice, but I get the feeling they could've picked anything from the Young catalogue and it would have come sounded exactly the same as that cover.

"Damn the Taquitos" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 January 2016 05:16 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

In case anyone cares, a whole raft of recordings from the Solo Trans tour have just been upped on D1mead0zen.

Maresn3st, Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

He wasn't terrible in the 1980's.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:19 (three years ago) link

he's reissuing Eldorado!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:23 (three years ago) link

no fan need own this travesty, in which Young and the International Harvesters treat country like Sid Vicious did “My Way.”

Lol, nice.

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

haha yeah, for my money his worst album

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 November 2020 02:37 (three years ago) link

the unplugged cast-off recording of "sample and hold" is well worth finding. "hold on to your love" is one of those great, lyrically simple songs of his that i would hope older takes exist.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 13 November 2020 06:58 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

trans

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

i buy used copies of this vinyl on the cheap whenever I see it with the intention of handing them out to bring new members into the blessed Trans fold.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link

Well. I wish I was an Aztec,
Or a runner in Peru
I would build such
beautiful buildings
To house the chosen few
Like an Inca from Peru.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link

I read about "Razor Love" in Shakey, but I couldn't find the original

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 March 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link

yeah I don't think it's ever surfaced, tyler would know for sure but i've never seen anything

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 March 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link

assuming if you got love went all the way through mastering if it was listed on the cover art

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 March 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link

I kind of prefer the shorter version of "Sample and Hold" to the 8-minute CD version, would be good to have both easily available.

a sad robot dancing alone in the corner of a suburban disco (Matt #2), Friday, 26 March 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link

I first knew sample and hold and transformer man via the lucky thirteen comp

brimstead, Friday, 26 March 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link

me too! that was a cool comp back in the day esp when that era was largely unknown (to me at least)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 March 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link

it's amazing that the catchy, accessible, occasionally moving (now unintentionally retrofurist) electronic stuff is what people took issue with on this album considering how dire the more traditional stuff is (the first track, my god). if had been all synth based it would be great rather than pretty good

nothing (Left), Friday, 26 March 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link

Been saying the same for years. As I understand it, the electronic stuff was recorded first but I don't think there was enough of it for an entire album.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 26 March 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link

... typographic mistake. The album is actually called TRAINS

StanM, Friday, 26 March 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link

i don't think the trad stuff is that bad, but it's obvious the real meat of the album is the trans-ass trans tracks

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 March 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link

Like An Inca is great, the rest of the non-electronic tracks not so much

a sad robot dancing alone in the corner of a suburban disco (Matt #2), Friday, 26 March 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link

we know you'll be satisfied
when you energize

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 26 March 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link

As stated, the opening track is terrible.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link

"Hold On to Your Love" is nice though, if a bit wet.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

because i love thematically messy albums, i have to say that —while i love trans quite a lot and consider it one of the last hurrahs of truly classic neil— it could be improved by adding 'wanderin' from everybody's rockin' because why the hell not.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link

the wiki for trans says "After a year of work, the album was mixed in a hurry because Young was eager to go out on tour (documented in the home video Neil Young in Berlin), and a last-minute change in the running order is evident in the inclusion of a song called "If You Got Love" in the track listing and lyric sheet, even though it is not on the album.[3] Portions of several tracks appeared in Young's 1982 feature-length comedy film Human Highway.[11]"

i've never seen human highway, so i'm not sure if this means that portions of songs that were ON trans were featured in human highway or if some of the cut songs were?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link

I had that Berlin vhs, it’s great - don’t know what happened to it ☹️

jammy mcnullity (wins), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:25 (three years ago) link

Nils Lofgren is wonderfully hamming it up in that Berlin performance iirc

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 26 March 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link

that i know is supposed to be re-released

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link

I rented it from Netflix in the mid '00s.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link

ha me too. nils' interpretive dancing is unforgettable

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link

I had that Berlin vhs, it’s great - don’t know what happened to it ☹️

Ditto!

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link

if you got love has been bootlegged for ages — kind of a Santana groove meets "Flying On The Ground Is Wrong" haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xasVHiL6s

The synth "Razor Love" has never shown up as far as I know.

tylerw, Friday, 26 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the Human Highway film doesn't contain any unreleased Neil songs.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 March 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link

i find this a middling album because it's not cohesive for the reasons as noted by a bunch of people above. although i actually don't mind "a little thing call love" and I love "hold on to your love"

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 March 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link

Didn't Human Highway have the Devo/Neil synth version of Hey Hey My My?

brutalism is a piss-stained multistory car park in stockport (Matt #2), Friday, 26 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link

I'd consider that a Devo cover with Neil guesting, not an unreleased song?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 March 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link


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