Best Cocteau Twins album

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I voted for Milk + Kisses, or at least I think I did because it told me off for voting twice. I might have clicked twice by mistake. Anyhow - M&K is the best - beautifully layered sound ( as ever), Liz's best singing, at least 8 absolutely KILLER tracks, as opposed to a max of 4 or 5 on the other albums and great, great guitar sounds (the Jazzmaster on Serpentskirt for example). And....by now, RG had sorted out a decent drum sound that didn't sound like a car door closing.(to be fair he'd probably sorted this by H&LV).

Pushing it close, but not that close, are H&LV, Bluebell and Garlands.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 07:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I have no idea whether to pick Treasure of Heaven & Las Vegas.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 08:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OR NOT OF, ARGH

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 08:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sounds like a Cocteau Twins song title, that.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 08:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's Treasure or Heaven or Las Vegas for me too. Sod it I'll go for the latter.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 08:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Treasure for the ubiquitous personal reasons.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 08:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

heaven or las vegas. i feel that they reached their peak with that one. it was the first one i listened to. in the beginning it didn't make sense but then i got totally overwhelmed by it. and it has a perfect flow. something which can't be said from most of their albums.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 09:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

victorialand because its pink cocaine candyfloss

600, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 09:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It was a very close race between Treasure and Victorialands but my god, Victorialands is just in another world in every best possible way.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 12:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They're all splendid.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 12:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'll have to go with Blue Bell Knoll, since that was my introduction to the Cocteaus...(Sade was right: it's never as good as the first time)...

henry s, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 12:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Bump. Why do things fall off new answers so fast.

Trayce, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4VdcMXVO_g

Display Name, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 22:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1. Heaven or Las Vegas
2. Treasure
3. Four Calender Cafe

avonhun, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 22:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Treasure, no question for me at all. And I like all of them!

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 22:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not familiar with more than a few. Out of those I have heard (mainly the most "canonical" ones), "Treasure" has been my favourite.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 22:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Really tough but Blue Bell Knoll just pips Treasure.

SeekAltRoute, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 11:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Treasure is so going to win, which for some reason disappoints me.

Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It feels like the one album everyone knows or something?

Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i voted heaven or las vegas (which to my ears is their most cohesive album, no big lulls in the play order and great songs all the way around)...personal favorites are head over heels and victorialand...and i could make a "best cocteaus album" case for anything excluding garlands and four calendar cafe, which are the dull spots in their impeccable discography for me

stephen, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 22:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think I'm actually more a fan of their EPs than their albums. But that's splitting hairs, as honestly I love about 95% of their output completely unconditionally.

Trayce, Thursday, 3 May 2007 00:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm w/ Trayce. HOLV and M&K are my favorite long-players, but if it's desert island thing, I'm bringing the EP box...

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I heart my EP box.

Trayce, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Now that I've read the actual thread and see so many votes for Treasure, I wish I could change my vote to Head Over Heels, but too late...

Lostandfound, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think I loved their EPs better, too. In another life I had them all on vinyl, and now that I know it exists I need to get a hold of that box set I think.

Lostandfound, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Bumpity boo.

Trayce, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 00:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was sort of over the Cocteaux sound about five years ago, but BBK completely reassigned my pop circuits when I was 20, so that's my vote. One day I'll buy it on DAT...

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I wound up voting for Garlands, just because this poll ends tomorrow and I am in a Garlands mood right now. I would have voted for Echoes in a Shallow Bay in a heartbeat though!

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I voted for Milk & Kisses because I felt sorry for it.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hahah Dan :) I feel sorry for Four Calendar Cafe! Has anyone voted for that?

Trayce, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really should do a Coc's ep/singles poll too. But then that still leaves out awesome songs like Millimillenary.

Trayce, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

RESULTS! As I expected, Treasure won by a mile. Actually the whole result was pretty obvious, and poor old Four-Calendar Cafe :(

Trayce, Thursday, 10 May 2007 05:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

summerhead dudes! :(

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Dammit I was the only one who voted Moon and the Melodies.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I know, I love Summerhead too Charlie!

Trayce, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

But - and it is one of the only CTs songs I'll say this about - I really dont like "Bluebeard" at all.

Trayce, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

head over heels WUZ ROBBED (maybe the only album of theirs besides the pink opaque that i consistently listen to the whole way through)

impudent harlot, Friday, 11 May 2007 06:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lyrically, i like 'bluebeard'. but the song itself isn't fantastic.

interesting results, in any case.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 11 May 2007 08:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Impudent: I voted for head over heels, and I am listening to it RIGHT NOW. Musette and Drums was basically my intro into this band, and it was the live version on the Tube, omg.

Theres something about Liz's performances that does my head in, she is all at once nervous and wired and controlled and powerful.

Trayce, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I thought this poll was another lovely example of ILM. For OF COURSE TREASURE WINS and OF COURSE HEAVEN OR LAS VEGAS WAS SECOND. FOR THAT IS THE WAY OF THE COCTEAUS AND I AGREE. *holds candle in reverence*

Bimble, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i voted "heaven or las vegas" here but i listened to all songs today in a non-album kontext and the result was quite surprising. for each song there was only the option to either love it or not to love it.

1. 90% (9/10) four-calendar café
2. 88% (7/8) garlands
3. 80% (8/10) heaven or las vegas

the only album which nobody voted for in the poll is my favourite at the moment. very weird.

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 April 2009 16:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

i forgot the others. also strange, the poll winner is my least favourite album by them:

4. 50% milk & kisses
5. 44% victorialand
6. 40% head over heels
7. 30% blue bell knoll
8. 25% the moon % the melodies
9. 20% treasure

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 April 2009 16:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh my god, we're talking about Cocteaus on this board again? Please stop encouraging me! I don't know if I want to play Milk & Kisses or Blue Bell Knoll or Garlands or whatever the fuck. I really don't know.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 19 April 2009 16:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

My favourite is definitely Blue Bell Knoll for reasons outlined here:

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/cocteau-twins-head-over-heels-round-21-grahams-choice/

yugi ex, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:48 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i really don't understand why nobody voted for four-calendar café. i still think it is their most consistent album. and it has one of their most amazing songs on it: theft, and wandering around lost.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 6 September 2013 19:14 (five years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

maybe it's just because it's the first one i heard way back when, but blue bell knoll is probably my favorite, just wall to wall classics. it's so cool how the cocteau twins have such artfully subtle sonic variations on each of their albums so that choosing a favorite is almost down to what specific texture grabs you the most on a particular day.. like different alloys or something.

brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:54 (four years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

xp to brimstead - title track on Blue Bell Knoll is probably one of my favourite songs by Cocteaus.

I could totally go for a whole album of this country-fried dream rock though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7igZdDJyz4

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 21 July 2017 00:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I probably would've voted for "Treasure" but really the answer is the singles box.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 21 July 2017 02:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Completely agree. So many classic bsides

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 21 July 2017 03:25 (one year ago) Permalink

listening to four calendar café and milk & kisses for the first time ever and ...they're not as bad as i assumed they'd be? nowhere near the highs of heaven or las vegas, but not bad at all

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I was one of the Victorialand votes - some of that has to do with how left-field a move it seemed at the time; in my peer group, the Cocteau Twins, from the EPs through Treasure, had rapidly become the "everybody agrees this band is awesome" band -- I remember specific parties with Aikea-Guinea playing on the stereo, the sound stapling itself permanently to the moment & the era. It felt like music that would bind us in the coming years. Victorialand was the first one to come out the year after I graduated high school, and I bought it fresh off the rack -- I knew I had to hear it. To get it home and hear that they'd jettisoned the propulsive, driving percussive sound that informed so much of their preceding year-plus: it felt SO brave & nervy, so confident -- I listened to that album every day for a long time in '86. Get stoned, listen to Victorialand. Feel like committing suicide, listen to Victorialand. Wonder if there's any real future, listen to Victorialand.

It was the perfect album for that time & for me then, it was a world into which I could grant myself entrance where things were beautiful and safe but not so safe that deep sadness and longing weren't also there.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 27 August 2017 00:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Victorialand is my favorite, as well.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 27 August 2017 00:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Head Over Heels is more of a mixed bag than I remembered, the second half really pales in comparison to the first.

I mean, the second half contains "In The Gold Dust Rush", "The Tinderbox (Of a Heart)", and "Musette and Drums" which are three of my favorite CT songs ever, though I agree "Multifoiled" and "My Love Paramour" aren't as strong.
I always thought "Multifoiled" sounded like Siouxsie's "Cocoon" from the year before. And there's also The Cure's "Speak My Language" that came out around the same time.

LeRooLeRoo, Sunday, 27 August 2017 00:57 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm with you on "Musette And Drums", an excellent closer, but the others don't do it for me like "When Mama Was Moth" or "Sugar Hiccup". I'm hardly saying they're bad but there's a noticeable drop-off in quality for me.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 27 August 2017 01:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Another vote for Victorialand. Love the absence of drums

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 27 August 2017 04:25 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

moon and melodies is super underrated. in time tho my heart is with heaven or las vegas, which is probably their most perfect distilled dream pop statement - never fails to brighten up any day

Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Feel you on M+M. 'Why Do You Love Me' is one of my all-time favorite instrumentals.

Your welcome. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 06:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

It's funny to see old threads like this revived... apparently, I was "over the Cocteaus" in about 2002. Well, they came back. I've been listening to them a lot in the last 2-3 years.

And it's still BBK.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 10:29 (eleven months ago) Permalink

That sounds like 'I'm over my skeleton' to me.

Your welcome. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 11:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Not a big fan despite loving all the other usual suspects from that scene/era, and only heard half of these I think, but Heaven or Las Vegas would be the easy choice for me. More muscular and groovy than all the other stuff I heard.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 11:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I would say the early Heggie stuff was easily the most muscular.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

oh totally RAG, "blind dumb deaf"

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

It's Victorialand but HoLV is stiff competition.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 21:03 (one month ago) Permalink

Its nice to see my few old polls I ever did on ILM bobbing back up now and then!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 06:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Heaven for me but Victorialand is close.

yes, said (Ross), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 16:50 (one month ago) Permalink

those two records are always doing battle in my head. depressive me says victorialand, the me that loves great pop says holv

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 17:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Victorialand always.

jmm, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 17:06 (one month ago) Permalink

BBK forever but I did listen to Head Over Heels for the first time in a few years on a solo wander around Epping Forest, after a lunchtime pint, and it was glorious!

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 21:17 (one month ago) Permalink

They were always one of those bands where I'd change my mind on which my favourite album was. I think Head Over Heels was my favourite when I first got into them. Heaven Or Las Vegas is far ahead of the others these days. Victorialand in second place.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 21:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I think I'd forgotten how cavernous and teenage-intense HoH is; some of Liz's most memorable pre-conlang lyrics too - "There’s only a hair’s breadth between us/Askew as we are", "Paramour/ooze out and away onehow", "In the gold dust rush I only genuflect". No wonder her and Ian McC were such good mates. Sing nonsense as if your life depends on it.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 22:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Genuflect is a very bunnymen word, yes. In fact I was after another use of genuflect to complete a trilogy and this will do nicely.

(Ultra Vivid Scene being the other, shut your eyes and genuflect, the avenging angel comes.)

koogs, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 22:33 (one month ago) Permalink

there's also 23 years too late by wire from read and burn 3

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:45 (one month ago) Permalink

ugh

Elizabeth Fraser, the other worldly voice of Cocteau Twins performed a rare gig in London on Monday night. Fraser has been elusive these days, having only performed live a handful of times since the band’s demise over 20 years ago.

http://www.post-punk.com/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-makes-a-rare-live-performance-in-london/

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Society of the Golden Slippers
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So, last night we hosted a rare performance from the glorious Liz Fraser who was joined by John Grant for a song. What a privilege! We still can't quite believe it happened! Huge thanks to Elena Tonra (Daughter) and Julia Biel for their gorgeous opening sets. What a night! — with Caroline Cremin.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Did it actually happen? Yes it did. Liz Fraser and John Grant joined us in our intimate salon and sang us to heaven. pic.twitter.com/CIGxne9214

— Golden Slippers (@GoldenSlippers7) September 4, 2018

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:06 (one month ago) Permalink

HOLV seems to be the consensus pick these days, and would probably win if this poll were run again. I dunno, I still think Treasure is their defining moment – the apex of their early pre-Raphaelite leanings.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 09:36 (one month ago) Permalink

To me it's always felt HOLV was the consensus pick?

It will never not be Blue Bell Knoll for me, but any of the others can give it a run for its money on a suitable day. Currently rediscovering Victorialand for the tenth time.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 09:44 (one month ago) Permalink


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